19-year-old Fmr. Candidate for KS Governor may have just won a State House seat

[Indy Texas]

Apparently not getting to serve in a state legislature is now "cruel and unusual punishment" according to people on Twitter.

There are plenty of 19 year olds out there who didn't coerce nude photos out of classmates in middle school. Why not nominate one of them?

[Mr. Smith]

Apparently not getting to serve in a state legislature is now "cruel and unusual punishment" according to people on Twitter.

There are plenty of 19 year olds out there who didn't coerce nude photos out of classmates in middle school. Why not nominate one of them?

Because they didn't run.

And besides, this kind of attitude, if properly channeled, could lead to a lot of good results for the district as otherwise obstructive heads get stomped.

[lfromnj]

Apparently not getting to serve in a state legislature is now "cruel and unusual punishment" according to people on Twitter.

There are plenty of 19 year olds out there who didn't coerce nude photos out of classmates in middle school. Why not nominate one of them?

If you mean defeated in election through a write-in or whatever? Absolutely 100% fine.
If you mean removed from office due to past crimes he either isn't convicted of or already paid his dues to society in whatever form was required then thats a big no from me.

[tmthforu94]

If Republicans had bothered to put someone on the ballot here, they could have won, especially if Frownfelter pursues the write-in campaign. As it stands, I doubt they have much chance.

[SevenEleven]

If Republicans had bothered to put someone on the ballot here, they could have won, especially if Frownfelter pursues the write-in campaign. As it stands, I doubt they have much chance.

What are the chances of him not being seated?

[tmthforu94]

If Republicans had bothered to put someone on the ballot here, they could have won, especially if Frownfelter pursues the write-in campaign. As it stands, I doubt they have much chance.

What are the chances of him not being seated?

Honestly it is pretty low, at this point people are aware of what happened and if they choose to elect him, that is their democratic prerogative. I haven't heard much murmurs locally on whether or not he should be seated. Heck if anything Republicans probably want this kid to win, as it is ammo to use against Democrats in the future. Based on what I know about him, he will make many moronic statements to come.

[SevenEleven]

If Republicans had bothered to put someone on the ballot here, they could have won, especially if Frownfelter pursues the write-in campaign. As it stands, I doubt they have much chance.

What are the chances of him not being seated?

Honestly it is pretty low, at this point people are aware of what happened and if they choose to elect him, that is their democratic prerogative. I haven't heard much murmurs locally on whether or not he should be seated. Heck if anything Republicans probably want this kid to win, as it is ammo to use against Democrats in the future. Based on what I know about him, he will make many moronic statements to come.

I'm asking you because I'm sure you know more about Kansas than me. From what I can tell, this guy won a low information primary and has no challenger. Not exactly will of the people material. Now, he might make Democrats look bad for two years until he gets primaried but a. how many Republicans will be energized by this scumbag and b. does it outweigh the good will formed by ousting someone clearly unfit for office, where both parties can agree that dude is basura.

Frankly, incidents like this make me proud to be a Californian, as the top two system means we always have a choice. I'm not trying to bash Kansas, btw, we've seen things like Al Greene running for Senate in South Carolina where it's just a giant WTF. I'm a good government type where any GOP write in would probably be better, honestly.

[brucejoel99]

If Republicans had bothered to put someone on the ballot here, they could have won, especially if Frownfelter pursues the write-in campaign. As it stands, I doubt they have much chance.

What do you think happens in the likely scenario of this kid (D) vs. Frownfelter & some rando GOP-er as write-in options?

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

The democrat incumbent who lost should not be allowed to run a write in campaign. He ran a poor campaign and so he lost. If you hate this kid so much, vote for the republican write in candidate. He didn't lose a primary. The democrats did nothing to stop this guy in the primary and so they should accept the consequences.

And you cannot refuse to seat someone over a crime they have not been convicted for. I guess expulsion would be appropriate here. Democrats should be ashamed of themselves and as far as I'm concerned what Frownfelter is doing is downright despicable. It's not okay to break the rules so a republican write in candidate cant win.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

God I'm just disgusted at all the people here either defending this monster or saying this doesn't matter.  Do you realise how creepy and weird you guys are looking defending this.

I agree, but I also think democracy is important.

Democracy includes the state party making people aware of who they nominated and that they have an alternative.

Party primaries are treated as more sacred than they should be, given how under-attended they usually are.

I dont care how unattended they are. He lost fair and square and a court should step in and order him to cease his write in campaign. Do you think the democrats deserve to be able to bail themselves out by cheating instead of doing the right thing and supporting the GOP candidate who didnt lose their primary.

[brucejoel99]

God I'm just disgusted at all the people here either defending this monster or saying this doesn't matter.  Do you realise how creepy and weird you guys are looking defending this.

I agree, but I also think democracy is important.

Democracy includes the state party making people aware of who they nominated and that they have an alternative.

Party primaries are treated as more sacred than they should be, given how under-attended they usually are.

I dont care how unattended they are. He lost fair and square and a court should step in and order him to cease his write in campaign. Do you think the democrats deserve to be able to bail themselves out by cheating instead of doing the right thing and supporting the GOP candidate who didnt lose their primary.

Sore-loser laws evidently aren't a thing in Kansas, so you're literally advocating for judicial lawmaking.

Hopefully the GOP hack attorney general will threaten to press charges if Frowncheater goes forward with this.

Now you're literally advocating for locking somebody up on false charges. Write-in campaigns aren't "cheating," let alone against the law. Get a f**king grip.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

God I'm just disgusted at all the people here either defending this monster or saying this doesn't matter.  Do you realise how creepy and weird you guys are looking defending this.

I agree, but I also think democracy is important.

Democracy includes the state party making people aware of who they nominated and that they have an alternative.

Party primaries are treated as more sacred than they should be, given how under-attended they usually are.

I dont care how unattended they are. He lost fair and square and a court should step in and order him to cease his write in campaign. Do you think the democrats deserve to be able to bail themselves out by cheating instead of doing the right thing and supporting the GOP candidate who didnt lose their primary.

Sore-loser laws evidently aren't a thing in Kansas, so you're literally advocating for judicial lawmaking.

Hopefully the GOP hack attorney general will threaten to press charges if Frowncheater goes forward with this.

Now you're literally advocating for locking somebody up on false charges. Write-in campaigns aren't "cheating," let alone against the law. Get a f**king grip.

My apologies. I really thought there were sore loser laws in this state because the Democratic New Jersey avatar said they need to repeal them and that's why I got so angry. It's my fault for not researching it correctly.

[tmthforu94]

If Republicans had bothered to put someone on the ballot here, they could have won, especially if Frownfelter pursues the write-in campaign. As it stands, I doubt they have much chance.

What do you think happens in the likely scenario of this kid (D) vs. Frownfelter & some rando GOP-er as write-in options?

I need to see how it plays out the next few weeks.....I think Frownfelter will probably win this, the kid's fundraising is going to dry up as a result of all of this. The Wyandotte GOP isn't particularly organized so I wouldn't put too much trust in them being able to successfully pull off a write-in candidacy in a district TRUMP will probably only get 30-35%.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Also he's 19 now, and most of this apparently happened when he was 14?

I don't think anyone is (or should be) saying this has to be define the rest of the his natural life, but it was literally just 5 years ago. It didn't just become nothing the moment he turned 18.

5 years makes a huge difference between 14 and 19.  People can change dramatically over this period of time.  It's very reasonable to want to see evidence that someone has changed their ways and that they want to make amends for harm caused when they were younger, but you have to allow people to grow.

[JerryArkansas]

Also he's 19 now, and most of this apparently happened when he was 14?

I don't think anyone is (or should be) saying this has to be define the rest of the his natural life, but it was literally just 5 years ago. It didn't just become nothing the moment he turned 18.

5 years makes a huge difference between 14 and 19.  People can change dramatically over this period of time.  It's very reasonable to want to see evidence that someone has changed their ways and that they want to make amends for harm caused when they were younger, but you have to allow people to grow.

The problem is he hasn't done that. 

[ON Progressive]

https://twitter.com/Aaron4KS37/status/1297413515863625728

Good riddance.

[America Needs R'hllor]

https://twitter.com/Aaron4KS37/status/1297413515863625728
Good riddance.

Oh, he's attacking feminism now? What a deranged POS. Good riddance.

[brucejoel99]

@tmthforu94: so what happens now? Does the KS Democratic Party's state executive committee nominate Frownfelter? Or does KS law provide for a different process re: filling a vacant nomination?

[new_patomic]

Also he's 19 now, and most of this apparently happened when he was 14?

I don't think anyone is (or should be) saying this has to be define the rest of the his natural life, but it was literally just 5 years ago. It didn't just become nothing the moment he turned 18.

5 years makes a huge difference between 14 and 19.  People can change dramatically over this period of time.  It's very reasonable to want to see evidence that someone has changed their ways and that they want to make amends for harm caused when they were younger, but you have to allow people to grow.

Again I don't think the standard being applied here is that he can't grow or is forever barred from political office for something he did when he was 14.

But, especially in running for political office, it's not unreasonable to think not enough time has gone by for this to be ignored.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I don't know what to make of this kid.  But if he is elected in a free and fair election he should be seated.  There is no reason NOT to seat him if he wins an election, and the precedent that would set if he were not seated simply because some think him an HP has all sorts of unintended negative consequences that would apply in future candidacies and future elections.

I do find it ironic that the Democratic Party, which has given much lip service to "marginalized" people is thinking up ways to not seat a young man who, from the little I have read here, certainly fits the description of "marginalized".  He seems like a troubled kid, and things he's done are somewhat disturbing, but I would hardly think that denying him his seat that he's been elected to is just, both to him and to the voters (who should get whom they voted for). 

I wouldn't want a legislature full of people like this kid, but having one of him in the legislature may be a good thing.  Let him fail honestly if he is going to fail, and let him succeed if he can do so.  He's earned the Democratic nomination, and he'll earn the seat if he survives a write-in.  There is no reason to treat him differently than anyone else if he wins.

[LtNOWIS]

God I'm just disgusted at all the people here either defending this monster or saying this doesn't matter.  Do you realise how creepy and weird you guys are looking defending this.

I agree, but I also think democracy is important.

Democracy includes the state party making people aware of who they nominated and that they have an alternative.

Party primaries are treated as more sacred than they should be, given how under-attended they usually are.

I dont care how unattended they are. He lost fair and square and a court should step in and order him to cease his write in campaign. Do you think the democrats deserve to be able to bail themselves out by cheating instead of doing the right thing and supporting the GOP candidate who didnt lose their primary.

Do you think Lisa Murkowski's campaign should have been halted by the judges in 2010?

Her whole argument was "yes, I was defeated in my primary by the hard-core extremist base in a low turnout primary, but the broader electorate loves me! They love me so much, that I will win as a write-in candidate, defeating my party's official nominee and the minority party's guy!" And then she won, and was seated, and welcomed back to her caucus. And she won the next primary.

Frownfelter is no Lisa Murkoswki, but the principle seems similar.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

https://twitter.com/Aaron4KS37/status/1297413515863625728
Good riddance.

The gall of this idiot.  And the fact that he's a Bernie guy is the last thing the movement needs.

His exclusion from the race is good for everyone, frankly.

I don't know what to make of this kid.  But if he is elected in a free and fair election he should be seated.  There is no reason NOT to seat him if he wins an election, and the precedent that would set if he were not seated simply because some think him an HP has all sorts of unintended negative consequences that would apply in future candidacies and future elections.

I do find it ironic that the Democratic Party, which has given much lip service to "marginalized" people is thinking up ways to not seat a young man who, from the little I have read here, certainly fits the description of "marginalized".  He seems like a troubled kid, and things he's done are somewhat disturbing, but I would hardly think that denying him his seat that he's been elected to is just, both to him and to the voters (who should get whom they voted for). 

I wouldn't want a legislature full of people like this kid, but having one of him in the legislature may be a good thing.  Let him fail honestly if he is going to fail, and let him succeed if he can do so.  He's earned the Democratic nomination, and he'll earn the seat if he survives a write-in.  There is no reason to treat him differently than anyone else if he wins.

How on earth does an immature twit getting booted out of a race for an office that he is NOT entitled to for bullying, blackmailing, and sending revenge porn of girls he creeped out in middle school make him "marginalized?"  The only bad thing about this is that people didn't know who he was until after he won the primary.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

God I'm just disgusted at all the people here either defending this monster or saying this doesn't matter.  Do you realise how creepy and weird you guys are looking defending this.

I agree, but I also think democracy is important.

Democracy includes the state party making people aware of who they nominated and that they have an alternative.

Party primaries are treated as more sacred than they should be, given how under-attended they usually are.

I dont care how unattended they are. He lost fair and square and a court should step in and order him to cease his write in campaign. Do you think the democrats deserve to be able to bail themselves out by cheating instead of doing the right thing and supporting the GOP candidate who didnt lose their primary.

Sore-loser laws evidently aren't a thing in Kansas, so you're literally advocating for judicial lawmaking.

Hopefully the GOP hack attorney general will threaten to press charges if Frowncheater goes forward with this.

Now you're literally advocating for locking somebody up on false charges. Write-in campaigns aren't "cheating," let alone against the law. Get a f**king grip.

My apologies. I really thought there were sore loser laws in this state because the Democratic New Jersey avatar said they need to repeal them and that's why I got so angry. It's my fault for not researching it correctly.

Most sore loser laws prohibit running an on-ballot independent or third-party campaign after losing a primary. They don't prohibit running a write-in in any state.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I mean Lisa Murkowski is proof sore loser laws don't work that way.

She couldn't run as an independent under Alaska law, but she still won as a write-in.

[tmthforu94]

@tmthforu94: so what happens now? Does the KS Democratic Party's state executive committee nominate Frownfelter? Or does KS law provide for a different process re: filling a vacant nomination?

It is decided by Democratic precinct committee members in this district. That’s how a vacancy is filled, so I assume it is the same process here. They’ll nominate Frownfelter I’m sure.