Rashida Tlaib will not endorse Biden, will work to elect him

[WD]

Tlaib and Omar need to go. They're really bad team players. AOC to her credit came along and contributed to the campaign.

So what if they’re not team players? The Republicans are team players, and as a result, they all became shameless yes-men to Trump.

That’s one of the things the GOP is good at, they turn out and support their nominee. Democrats need to he 100% behind their nominee, regardless of any minor policy differences.

[America Needs R'hllor]

If you’ll actually read the article and not just the title you’ll see she’s working to elect Biden.

Is the bar that low? Or is she just too good for us Biden supporters? Has she ascended to a plane above ours, where she can both refuse to endorse a candidate and also get credit for "working to elect him"?

In any case, I think this is great news. They should stay as far away as possible. I'm only disappointed people like Pelosi endorsed her and Omar- I know the reason is the "incumbency loyalty", but these two are disloyal to the party and bigoted against a large segement of its supporters and deserve no institutional backing.

[VBM]

I remember when Bernie supporters were mad at Warren for not endorsing him, and centrists claimed that Bernie is not entitled to Warren’s endorsement despite both being progressives. They even accused Bernie Bros of being sexist for attacking her

Now that Tlaib is not endorsing Biden, she’s apparently an abhorrent bitch for not endorsing Biden, who is apparently entitled to her endorsement because they’re both Democrats.

Will centrists ever stop being shameless hypocrites?

[VBM]

Tlaib and Omar need to go. They're really bad team players. AOC to her credit came along and contributed to the campaign.

So what if they’re not team players? The Republicans are team players, and as a result, they all became shameless yes-men to Trump.

That’s one of the things the GOP is good at, they turn out and support their nominee. Democrats need to he 100% behind their nominee, regardless of any minor policy differences.

Or maybe neither party should be hive minds?

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“Residents come up to me and say, ‘Rashida, I don’t know. I hear Joe Biden this, Joe Biden that.’ I say, ‘Listen, do we need another four years of Trump? No. Then what I need you to do is go out there and focus on that,'” the Muslim congresswoman said.

“If the ultimate goal is to get rid of Donald Trump, that doesn’t have to involve me actually endorsing Biden,” she continued.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/rep-rashida-tlaib-say-she-will-not-be-endorsing-joe-biden/

Why did they have to refer to her as “the Muslim congresswoman”?

It's the New York Post.

Anyways, I don't like Tlaib (no, not because she's a Muslim) and I hope she loses her primary.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

#DEMSINDISARRAY

[free my dawg]

Hopefully Brenda Jones ousts this vulgar loudmouth.  Omar can go take a hike too.

Weren't you literally going to vote for Trump if Bernie or Warren won the nom?

[Holmes]

If you’ll actually read the article and not just the title you’ll see she’s working to elect Biden.

Is the bar that low? Or is she just too good for us Biden supporters? Has she ascended to a plane above ours, where she can both refuse to endorse a candidate and also get credit for "working to elect him"?

In any case, I think this is great news. They should stay as far away as possible. I'm only disappointed people like Pelosi endorsed her and Omar- I know the reason is the "incumbency loyalty", but these two are disloyal to the party and bigoted against a large segement of its supporters and deserve no institutional backing.

Hope he sees this bro

[TML]

Remember that back in 2008 Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK) did not endorse Barack Obama due to significant ideological differences, even though he did vote for the eventual president that year.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's true MSN since impeachment has given Biden a pass on Ukraine and Booker and Harris covered for him in the primary, and said leave Biden alone. They both dropped out early due to them thinking the impeachment trial was gonna be long.  So, Biden, did receive a pass on Ukraine and his son and Bernie couldnt get momentum until Buttigieg dropped out. Reade wasnt there until April.

So, I am not upset with this, as we get closer to election day and Biden has to get specifics on raising taxes and extending unemployment past a yr and amnesty, during the debates, the election will get closer. WI and PA are gonna be the Bellwether states as it was before the Biden bump

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

Tlaib is trash, She needs to be primaried.

What she actually said, beyond the centrist hate-bait headline.

“If the ultimate goal is to get rid of Donald Trump, that doesn’t have to involve me actually endorsing Biden,” she continued.

“My constituents don’t need to be bogged down in, ‘Is he the best candidate?’ That’s not what you have to convince my residents. They need to come out in droves and be inspired by something. And that is going to be a vote against Donald Trump.”

Centrism is trash and has no place in a thinking society.

Then what ideology would you prefer?

radical anti-centrism.


EVERY EXTREME IS ON THE SAME TEAM

[Progressive Pessimist]

I think Omar and Tlaib not overtly supporting Biden is a good thing. It further separates him from the right's constant attempts to link him to their favorite hate-boners. Of course, I don't think that's the actual reason why they aren't endorsing him.

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Neoliberals don't seem to like having Muslim women in congress.

"Neoliberal" is divisive term for people who consider themselves left of center but oppose full scale socialism. Regardless, it's not about her religion, it's about not endorsing a decent candidate who supports at least two thirds of her agenda in one form or another over Donald Trump who has corrupted the office, embarrassed himself in front of the world and who literally supports almost nothing what a self described socialist stands for. Bernie and AOC understand that. Tlaib doesn't.

Because heavily targeting the less than 1% of House Democrats who are Muslim women while ignoring zillions of terrible representatives isn't divisive?

[free my dawg]

A lot of people telling on themselves here. Says a lot about them when they'd believe a smear from a right-wing rag than her actual words.

[coloradocowboi]

A lot of people telling on themselves here. Says a lot about them when they'd believe a smear from a right-wing rag than her actual words.

Once the GOP goes under these will be the "Democrats" who branch off with the remnants to try and protect colonialism and capitalism for another generation. But, Rashida would agree that at least they're gonna vote out Donald Trump so they're fine with me for now

[It’s so Joever]

I remember when Bernie supporters were mad at Warren for not endorsing him, and centrists claimed that Bernie is not entitled to Warren’s endorsement despite both being progressives. They even accused Bernie Bros of being sexist for attacking her

Now that Tlaib is not endorsing Biden, she’s apparently an abhorrent bitch for not endorsing Biden, who is apparently entitled to her endorsement because they’re both Democrats.

Will centrists ever stop being shameless hypocrites?

There is a big difference between the primary and the general election and you damn know it.

[free my dawg]

A lot of people telling on themselves here. Says a lot about them when they'd believe a smear from a right-wing rag than her actual words.

Once the GOP goes under these will be the "Democrats" who branch off with the remnants to try and protect colonialism and capitalism for another generation. But, Rashida would agree that at least they're gonna vote out Donald Trump so they're fine with me for now

Reminds me of the time James Monroe decided to bring up his lie about Bernie "wanting to cut Social Security" way back during the Sirota/SocSec debate. Ostensibly, Monroe saw on his Twitter that because Bernie campaigned on "making adjustments to Social Security", that he wanted to cut it and it was equivalent to Biden pushing C-CPI.

I confronted him with the actual bill Bernie proposed after he got elected, which used was a different adjustment system, CPI-E, which would expand benefits. At the very least, it tracks CPI for the elderly, as opposed to all urban consumers. Changing to CPI-E would be an expansion of benefits compared to CPI-U, as it doesn't factor in the fact that most urban consumers are employed.

Monroe's response was basically "I reject your reality and substitute my own" and "I trust my secondhand article more than your primary source". He continued to blatantly lie about Bernie wanting to cut it further after being called out, because his Twitter feed told him differently.

Just shows how Twitter and clickbait headlines have rotted people's brains.

[Pyro]

The amount of Atlas Dems unhesitatingly gobbling up Bronz' NYPost headline is discouraging.
Tlaib is an excellent congresswoman and it does her a disservice to misconstrue her noncontroversial statement.

[ctrepublican512]

This helps Biden. The only people who wouldn't vote for Biden because Rashida Tlaib didn't endorse him are looking for an excuse to not vote for him and will find one.

Team Biden probably asked her not to endorse her if it came up, and she probably was happy to oblige lol. Helps her woke/Squad image just as much as it helps his

[Hammy]

If you’ll actually read the article and not just the title you’ll see she’s working to elect Biden.

Is the bar that low? Or is she just too good for us Biden supporters? Has she ascended to a plane above ours, where she can both refuse to endorse a candidate and also get credit for "working to elect him"?

In any case, I think this is great news. They should stay as far away as possible. I'm only disappointed people like Pelosi endorsed her and Omar- I know the reason is the "incumbency loyalty", but these two are disloyal to the party and bigoted against a large segement of its supporters and deserve no institutional backing.

She knows her constituents, as she points out in the article. If endorsing Biden will have zero effect and motivating them instead to vote against Trump brings them to the polls more effectively, then an endorsement would be nothing but meaningless virtue signaling to the party heads and might even turn off some voters--especially moderates--and she likely knows this.

And whining about "disloyalty to the party" sounds pretty authoritarian and is the sort of thing that turns off a lot of potential voters.

The amount of Atlas Dems unhesitatingly gobbling up Bronz' NYPost headline is discouraging.
Tlaib is an excellent congresswoman and it does her a disservice to misconstrue her noncontroversial statement.

Democratic partisans are certainly showing their true colors in this thread and that they and the Republicans really are the same sort of people in the end--just agree with whatever falsehood supports their existing view because looking further requires too much mental effort.

[Eraserhead]

I see reading comprehension still isn't a strong point for some on the Atlas Forum.

[Eraserhead]

It's so funny how people will be like "Tlaib sucks, she should be primaried, one of the worst members of Congress ever, we don't want her" but then criticize her for not falling in line.

If she had given Biden an endorsement, all the same characters would say "well, whatever, we don't need her but this is fine"--you don't care, you just want her to betray her principles.

I don’t give a f—k about her “principles,” and I find it bizarre that you apparently do. Politics isn’t about being the most pure or woke and taking a stand against the man. It’s about compromising and working as a team to accomplish concrete policy goals.

This is my single biggest issue with many “progressives.” Not only do I think that in many cases their actual principles and policy ideas are misguided and extreme, but I find them to be pretentious grandstanders who aren’t actually interested in getting anything done, just acting like they are holier than thou. Have the same problem with the Freedom Caucus types on the right like Thomas Massie by the way.

Politics isn’t a game and it isn’t a competition over who’s the most “authentic.” Anyone who is over the age of like 14 should understand this. Where others see these types of politicians as heroic for being obnoxious obstructionists, I see them as immature and unwilling to get over themselves. I also see them as supremely arrogant for assuming their principles are naturally superior to everyone else’s, and that they can just waltz right in to Congress and demand that much more accomplished people overhaul the system and the party to accommodate them.

To AOC’s credit, she seems to have gotten much better about this already. Not so much for Tlaib and Omar. And as for Bernie... dude has been like this his whole career. There is a reason I don’t mind AOC or Warren or Pressley as much as those other three, despite minute policy differences between them and despite the fact that all are significantly to my left. They are much more willing to work with others and thus are much better politicians, because again that’s kind of what politics is all about. If you just wanna soapbox, start a blog instead.

Are you really still complaining about Bernie Sanders? The dude endorsed Biden enthusiastically and is literally running around telling people that he could be the most progressive President since FDR. What else would you like him to do?

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My only comment is this:



lmao this thread has been a heck of a bait, fish in quantity here

[America Needs R'hllor]

If you’ll actually read the article and not just the title you’ll see she’s working to elect Biden.

Is the bar that low? Or is she just too good for us Biden supporters? Has she ascended to a plane above ours, where she can both refuse to endorse a candidate and also get credit for "working to elect him"?

In any case, I think this is great news. They should stay as far away as possible. I'm only disappointed people like Pelosi endorsed her and Omar- I know the reason is the "incumbency loyalty", but these two are disloyal to the party and bigoted against a large segement of its supporters and deserve no institutional backing.

She knows her constituents, as she points out in the article. If endorsing Biden will have zero effect and motivating them instead to vote against Trump brings them to the polls more effectively, then an endorsement would be nothing but meaningless virtue signaling to the party heads and might even turn off some voters--especially moderates--and she likely knows this.

And whining about "disloyalty to the party" sounds pretty authoritarian and is the sort of thing that turns off a lot of potential voters.

Her constituents voted for Biden in the primary.
Fair point about "disloyalty to the party" as a phrase- disloyalty to the cause is more apt, though when talking about institutional support from the Speaker it is fair to talk about party loyalty. I disagree with Pelosi's decision to endorse an incumbent who booed the former nominee and refuses to endorse the current nominee.

But my biggest problem is how little almost everyone cares when it comes to Jews. Imagine this headline: "Breaking: Nancy Pelosi endorses incumbent who shared a racist Ben Garrison caricature, called black neighborhoods "crime-infested", shared pizzagate conspiracy without apologizing for any of that". Would anyone let it stand? Obviously not. But when it comes to two incumbents who shared an antisemitic cartoon from an Iranian holocaust competition finalist, used a very clear antisemitic dog-whistle and shared blood libel without checking, and worst of all- refused to apologize for any of that- no one raises their voice. It's depressing.

[Horus]

If you’ll actually read the article and not just the title you’ll see she’s working to elect Biden.

Is the bar that low? Or is she just too good for us Biden supporters? Has she ascended to a plane above ours, where she can both refuse to endorse a candidate and also get credit for "working to elect him"?

In any case, I think this is great news. They should stay as far away as possible. I'm only disappointed people like Pelosi endorsed her and Omar- I know the reason is the "incumbency loyalty", but these two are disloyal to the party and bigoted against a large segement of its supporters and deserve no institutional backing.

She knows her constituents, as she points out in the article. If endorsing Biden will have zero effect and motivating them instead to vote against Trump brings them to the polls more effectively, then an endorsement would be nothing but meaningless virtue signaling to the party heads and might even turn off some voters--especially moderates--and she likely knows this.

And whining about "disloyalty to the party" sounds pretty authoritarian and is the sort of thing that turns off a lot of potential voters.

Her constituents voted for Biden in the primary.
Fair point about "disloyalty to the party" as a phrase- disloyalty to the cause is more apt, though when talking about institutional support from the Speaker it is fair to talk about party loyalty. I disagree with Pelosi's decision to endorse an incumbent who booed the former nominee and refuses to endorse the current nominee.

But my biggest problem is how little almost everyone cares when it comes to Jews. Imagine this headline: "Breaking: Nancy Pelosi endorses incumbent who shared a racist Ben Garrison caricature, called black neighborhoods "crime-infested", shared pizzagate conspiracy without apologizing for any of that". Would anyone let it stand? Obviously not. But when it comes to two incumbents who shared an antisemitic cartoon from an Iranian holocaust competition finalist, used a very clear antisemitic dog-whistle and shared blood libel without checking, and worst of all- refused to apologize for any of that- no one raises their voice. It's depressing.

Plenty of people raised their voices. The whole world doesn't have to stop because two random congresswomen criticized sacred, perfect Israel.