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Hammy
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« on: August 16, 2020, 03:55:24 PM »

While OP is arguing in complete bad faith for the opposite reason that his point should actually make, bandana and jogging masks have actually been proven to make spread more easy by breaking up the droplets into smaller particles.

The answer to this however is not ignoring masks but making an absolute mandate in all public space of medical masks and the government should aide this by ordering more be made.

The current restrictions (where they exist at all) are far too lax and seem like a centrist compromise between reality and delusional idiots when only the former should be given any weight.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2020, 09:52:19 PM »

So if anything can be worn as a mask, including a bandana, then how effective is this ‘rule’ anyway?

Why am I always right? It’s amazing what critical thinking does. Fauci wrong again. #unmasked #security theater

https://www.studyfinds.org/worst-face-masks-covid-19-bandanas-neck-gaiters-more-harmful-than-no-mask/

This doesn't really pass the smell test, despite the explanation in the article. Let's see if other studies back it up.

While OP is arguing in complete bad faith for the opposite reason that his point should actually make, bandana and jogging masks have actually been proven to make spread more easy by breaking up the droplets into smaller particles.

Proven how?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/11/study-bandanas-and-neck-gaiters-not-effective-as-surgical-face-masks.html

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The neck gaiter (No. 11 in the photo below), which was made of polyester spandex material, performed the worst in the study, actually producing more particles than speaking with no face covering at all.

Using a laser and sprayer it's fairly easy to prove. My main reason for pointing this out is while OP is correct in that singular point, it shows we need more stringent mask requirements, not less.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2020, 12:06:25 AM »

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/11/study-bandanas-and-neck-gaiters-not-effective-as-surgical-face-masks.html

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The neck gaiter (No. 11 in the photo below), which was made of polyester spandex material, performed the worst in the study, actually producing more particles than speaking with no face covering at all.

Using a laser and sprayer it's fairly easy to prove. My main reason for pointing this out is while OP is correct in that singular point, it shows we need more stringent mask requirements, not less.

I buy that they're the worst of the coverings studied, but not that they're worse than nothing at all. Creating more droplets doesn't mean they're worse. If you cut a droplet in half, each has half the virus and is half as contagious (if ingested) on its own. Moreover, any covering stops a lot of moisture, and thus virus, from getting through since they get wet when you cough in them. I get the smaller droplets don't fall as easy so it's a matter of which effect wins in terms of actually creating more infections. I have a hard time believing they're worse but will be happy to accept that if more studies back this up.

I'm not at all saying they're better than nothing, that there are far better alternatives.
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