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Question: Trump made many promises during his 2016 presidential campaign, the most important of which was to 'Make America Great Again'.  

After four years, it is time to come to a verdict -has he?
#1
Democrat: Yes!
 
#2
Democrat: No
 
#3
Republican: Yes!
 
#4
Republican: No
 
#5
independent/third party: Yes!
 
#6
independent/third party: No
 
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« on: July 24, 2020, 07:37:45 PM »

Has Trump made 'American Great Again' like he promised he would? 

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 09:16:17 PM »

“Hey Donald, how much have you and your buddies embezzled from the public treasury?”


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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2020, 10:28:25 PM »

He has done some good things. He's too embarrassing to stay in office, though.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 09:13:38 PM »

No, and no one has the chance until we get another War on Poverty / Green New Deal going either.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 11:12:58 PM »

Thinking it through, He did not.

The few nice things he did were he lowered taxes and he kept the stock market on a roll before the COVID-19.

But he made some massive blunders: Including, But not limited to.

Allowing the COVID-19 situation to get as bad as it was here.
Inflating tensions in the Middle East which brought us to the brink of war several times which would have resulted in a lot more civilian deaths.
Not doing the best of job with race relations.
Didn't drain the swamp as promised.
Threatened the UN for voting against the US moving it's embassy to Jerusalem.
Pulled out of WHO and Paris Climate Accord.
While I don't think he's a complete racist, His treatment of immigrants especially women and children have been pretty horrible.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2020, 02:19:47 AM »

He would have, hadn't been for the Dolchstoß by the Marxist forces!
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2020, 05:17:10 AM »

Thinking it through, He did not.

The few nice things he did were he lowered taxes and he kept the stock market on a roll before the COVID-19.

But he made some massive blunders: Including, But not limited to.

Allowing the COVID-19 situation to get as bad as it was here.
Inflating tensions in the Middle East which brought us to the brink of war several times which would have resulted in a lot more civilian deaths.
Not doing the best of job with race relations.
Didn't drain the swamp as promised.
Threatened the UN for voting against the US moving it's embassy to Jerusalem.
Pulled out of WHO and Paris Climate Accord.
While I don't think he's a complete racist, His treatment of immigrants especially women and children have been pretty horrible.

These are the two main concrete achievements of his presidency, and likely what he would have run on were it not for Covid. However, none of these were actually ‘great’ on his part:
a) The tax cuts largely benefitted the wealthy and corporations. The GOP claimed corporations would use the extra money to pay employees more and hire more workers. Lo and behold, they instead just increased shareholder payouts, ballooning the deficit.
b) How well the stock market is doing does not really impact the average American much.
c) The good economy was thanks to an upwards trend which started under Obama. Trump merely inherited it and managed not to totally screw it up.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2020, 10:58:01 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2020, 11:17:09 AM »

While I never believed Donald Trump had the political intelligence or ideological makeup to "make America 'great'(er) (again?)," even if he did, I don't think a man with his petulance and temperament ever could.  Sweeping legislation usually requires bipartisan support, and he openly offended half the country quite early on.
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2020, 12:25:10 AM »

Thinking it through, He did not.

The few nice things he did were he lowered taxes and he kept the stock market on a roll before the COVID-19.

But he made some massive blunders: Including, But not limited to.

Allowing the COVID-19 situation to get as bad as it was here.
Inflating tensions in the Middle East which brought us to the brink of war several times which would have resulted in a lot more civilian deaths.
Not doing the best of job with race relations.
Didn't drain the swamp as promised.
Threatened the UN for voting against the US moving it's embassy to Jerusalem.
Pulled out of WHO and Paris Climate Accord.
While I don't think he's a complete racist, His treatment of immigrants especially women and children have been pretty horrible.

These are the two main concrete achievements of his presidency, and likely what he would have run on were it not for Covid. However, none of these were actually ‘great’ on his part:
a) The tax cuts largely benefitted the wealthy and corporations. The GOP claimed corporations would use the extra money to pay employees more and hire more workers. Lo and behold, they instead just increased shareholder payouts, ballooning the deficit.
b) How well the stock market is doing does not really impact the average American much.
c) The good economy was thanks to an upwards trend which started under Obama. Trump merely inherited it and managed not to totally screw it up.

That's quite true as well. In all, Another ultimately unsuccessful presidency. It showed a lot of promise in the beginning for me. But lately I've noticed he's not quite so good.

Really hope someone like Tulsi Gabbard becomes president one day.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2020, 07:27:25 PM »

No, he has taken America backward to Nixon, KGB and Russian interference
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2020, 09:53:58 PM »

No. He did well on the First Step Act, but he has many serious political violations that I cannot stand, including:
-Calling anything he disagrees with a “hoax” or “witch hunt” even when there is clear evidence to the contrary,
-letting Russia and China do what they want (for all his bluster about China, Trump has gotten some sweet deals for his daughters line and his brand there)
-angering/insulting our allies
-refusal to swiftly condemn racists (Charlottesville, etc)
-desperately fighting losing battles & abusing his powers in spite of public opinion (I mean, when NASCAR and your own Defense Secretary are talking about ditching Confederate names/symbols, it’s time to give that a rest)
-stacking unqualified/inept “Yes Men” to do what he wants (most Presidents have done this, but not NEARLY to his extreme)
-Complete and total abuse of separation of powers and pardoning his cronies
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2020, 11:56:18 PM »

America was never great.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2020, 05:25:19 AM »


Good answer bruh.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2020, 08:45:54 AM »


Simply the facts. It was built by slaves, has maintained deep economic and social fault lines its entire history, and today remains a deeply racist, classist, and ableist society with high levels of inequality, manifesting in stable access to healthcare, education, housing, and other necessities only for select privileged groups.
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2020, 08:50:36 AM »


Simply the facts. It was built by slaves, has maintained deep economic and social fault lines its entire history, and today remains a deeply racist, classist, and ableist society with high levels of inequality, manifesting in stable access to healthcare, education, housing, and other necessities only for select privileged groups.

I understand what you are saying.
But now I would like you to give me the names of nations you consider great.
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2020, 09:13:45 AM »


Simply the facts. It was built by slaves, has maintained deep economic and social fault lines its entire history, and today remains a deeply racist, classist, and ableist society with high levels of inequality, manifesting in stable access to healthcare, education, housing, and other necessities only for select privileged groups.

I understand what you are saying.
But now I would like you to give me the names of nations you consider great.

Those problems exist all over the world but they're particularly severe in the United States. Many countries have done a much better job combatting income inequality and providing healthcare and education, along with prison reform and rehabilitation that stand in contrast to America's 19th century criminal justice system which is a complete and utter failure. But I would not consider any country great. And how is that relevant to the point of the thread?
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2020, 09:20:26 AM »


Simply the facts. It was built by slaves, has maintained deep economic and social fault lines its entire history, and today remains a deeply racist, classist, and ableist society with high levels of inequality, manifesting in stable access to healthcare, education, housing, and other necessities only for select privileged groups.

I understand what you are saying.
But now I would like you to give me the names of nations you consider great.

Those problems exist all over the world but they're particularly severe in the United States. Many countries have done a much better job combatting income inequality and providing healthcare and education, along with prison reform and rehabilitation that stand in contrast to America's 19th century criminal justice system which is a complete and utter failure. But I would not consider any country great. And how is that relevant to the point of the thread?

It is not relevant, but I wanted to see if you were willing to say that other nations are great.
Thank you!
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2020, 06:02:12 PM »

He surely has not made the Supreme Court any greater than it had been for the preceding 45 years. There has not been one great Supreme Court Justice since the retirement of Hugo Black in 1971. Neither Neil Gorsuch nor Brett Kavanaugh are going to be remembered in the history books as being among the greatest Justices the Court has ever had. They're not in the same class as Black, Holmes, Cardozo, Story, and so on.
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2020, 06:04:44 PM »

For a while, yes. The jury is still as to whether we’ll get back to that point.
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2020, 06:32:28 PM »

lol no
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2020, 12:57:59 AM »

No. Furthermore, another Republican would have accomplished everything Trump has for conservatism, plus more, and would have shown better leadership on the COVID-19 crisis resulting in reelection and 4 more years of winning. So much winning.
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