Are Maryland/Delaware/DC/Virginia Southern states?

[Suburbia]

Are they, or are they Northeast or Mid-Atlantic States?

[Mexican Wolf]

I'd call them all Mid-Atlantic states, although Maryland and Delaware have elements of both the Northeast and the South, while Virginia and DC have Southern elements.

[Sirius_]

For the most part no, they're best described as mid-Atlantic, though southern Virginia is definitely southern.

[TDAS04]

Only Virginia.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Parts of them are and parts of them aren't.  Here's a map I made from 2017.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

Virginia definitely is, the rest aren't.

[Nutmeg]

Parts of them are and parts of them aren't.  Here's a map I made from 2017.

I might quibble around the margins, but generally I agree. Southern Illinois indeed is arguably more southern than most of Maryland is, while at the same time, much of southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore is arguably southern. Freedom map.

[Orser67]

The answer to these kinds of questions depends heavily on how granular you want to get with the regions.

If we're going with a four-region model with no split states, then I'd say VA is Southern and the others are Northeastern. DE especially belongs in the Northeast (although I agree with ExtremeRepublican's map in that Sussex County is Southern).

[Del Tachi]

Yes, they all are (easily). 

[Joe Biden 2024]

Maryland, Delaware, and DC: No

Virginia: Yes

[RINO Tom]

Only Virginia.

[jaymichaud]

No, though Virginia is the borderline.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Parts of them are and parts of them aren't.  Here's a map I made from 2017.

any particular reason you excluded the greater Charlottesville area ?

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Parts of them are and parts of them aren't.  Here's a map I made from 2017.

any particular reason you excluded the greater Charlottesville area ?

That was probably a mistake.  I think my thought process was that most people in Charlottesville were just temporarily there from NoVa, but that's probably not true.

[Progressive Pessimist]

DC is its own thing, perhaps that will change if it ever becomes a state; Delaware and Maryland are Mid-Atlantic/Northeastern States, and Virginia is a southern state (though it joins the rest of the Northeast in "cosatal elite" now that its become a safe D state).

[Storr]

Historically Maryland, DC, and Delaware are Southern. Culturally they aren't. Virginia is both historically and culturally Southern.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Maryland, Delaware, and DC may not be culturally Southern (for the most part), but geographically I classify every state beneath the Mason-Dixon line to Oklahoma and Texas as Southern - just as the Census does.

And Virginia literally housed the capital of the Confederacy.  I don't buy the argument that because it's a blue state now it's "no longer Southern".

[RINO Tom]

DC is its own thing, perhaps that will change if it ever becomes a state; Delaware and Maryland are Mid-Atlantic/Northeastern States, and Virginia is a southern state (though it joins the rest of the Northeast in "cosatal elite" now that its become a safe D state).

Lol, if it makes you feel any better, a lot of us don't think there is literally anything elite about you guys.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Parts of them are and parts of them aren't.  Here's a map I made from 2017.

any particular reason you excluded the greater Charlottesville area ?

That was probably a mistake.  I think my thought process was that most people in Charlottesville were just temporarily there from NoVa, but that's probably not true.

Ok, yeah, I'd say it's probably more similar to the Asheville area than to the DC metro.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Hot take: DC certainly is not a Southern State. It's not even a State!

[RINO Tom]

Too many people also treat "Southern" as a term that cannot be used in different ways.  Are we asking if these areas are in the literal geographic region of the South?  The US Census says they are, I personally see DC as a nice dividing line between the Northeast and South (why I answered that only VA should count) and others would have different opinions.  However, regardless of where you personally draw the line, this is a DIFFERENT QUESTION than asking if somewhere is "culturally Southern," which is pretty clearly what ExtremeRepublican's map is trying to portray.

As I have said before, Chicago is not any less Midwestern than Bloomington, IL just because it is extremely Democratic, large and metropolitan, whereas Bloomington is a small city that leans Republican.  At some point, geographical regions are going to encompass some diversity, and you can't constantly redraw them for minor things like "how coalitions have changed since 2004," lol.  Is Miami culturally Southern?  I don't think so, and I don't think most would say it is.  However, it is undeniably in the South.  Why?  Because Florida is in the South.  Is NOVA culturally Southern?  Perhaps at one point, but it doesn't seem to be anymore, so if you were making a map like the one above, yeah - exclude it and include it instead with the Mid-Atlantic portion of the Northeast.  However, if you are drawing STATE boundaries, it's just impossible (IMO) not to include states like Virginia and Florida in the South, even if some areas within those states differ culturally from our stereotypes of "Southern culture."

[dead0man]

in 1820?sure....in 1920? ok....now, in 2020?  With professional federal government workers everywhere?  No

[Crumpets]

As a two-year resident of DC, my opinion is that the south starts where Fairfax County ends, although it may be moving further out into the suburbs as more non-locals move to the area.

[Tamika Jackson]

MD, DC and VA, yes due to the Mason-Dixon line. DE, no.

[Sirius_]

Hot take: the Mason-Dixie line isn't a useful indicator of anything except for Maryland's border with Pennsylvania and Delaware.