Minor Party and Independent General Election Discussion

[StateBoiler]

Constitution Party sends out a press release they're on the ballot in New Jersey and Vermont.

[StateBoiler]

BAN:

The only ballot-qualified parties in Arkansas are the Republican, Democratic and Libertarian Parties. Unqualified parties can be on for president if they submit 1,000 signatures; also independent candidates for president need 1,000 signatures. These are two different types of petition. The presidential party petition doesn’t need the name of the candidate, and thus can be circulated before the group has chosen its nominee.

The groups or candidates who used one of the presidential procedures are: Alliance, American Solidarity, Constitution, Green, Life & Liberty, Prohibition, Socialism & Liberation, Brock Pierce, and Kanye West.

Life & Liberty are a Constitution Party splinter.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Leonard Peltier has ceased being apart of the PSL ticket for health reasons

This Sunil Freeman guy is basically a no name in who the party usually promotes, so I’m guessing they chose him because he’s far up the hierarchy in the Washington D.C. branch, a branch that was the original branch of the WWP after the East Coast that split from the WWP to form the PSL in the first place.

A shame. Peltier's case is tragic and this ticket if anything would've drawn more attention to it.

He's been on the ticket with LaRiva a few times. I think he was the Peace & Freedom Party VP candidate more than once. Obviously it hasn't helped him so far.

[Oryxslayer]

So, weird news out of California. The Independent Party nominated Kanye as their VP candidate, despite Kanye not 'campaigning' for the position. The AIP as expected endorsed Rocky de la Fuente, giving him ballot access, but not his selected VP.

Not sure if this is more Kanye or minor party bickering, so posting in both threads.

[PSOL]

Darlene Elias and SMC replaces as VPs’ on the respective Dario Hunter and Mark Charles tickets

This is probably good news for the Green Party ticket.

[AltWorlder]

Ballot Access News: American Independent Party Nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President and Kanye West for Vice-President

On August 15, the American Independent Party, which exists only in California, held its state convention. It nominated presidential electors pledged to Rocky De La Fuente for president, and Kanye West for vice-president. The meeting was electronic with approximately 20 participants. The vote was unanimous, except for one abstention.

There is no law in California requiring general election presidential and vice-presidential candidates to assent to their nomination by a ballot-qualified party. The party had reached out to Kanye West in the past week, but could not reach him. De La Fuente, of course, had sought the party’s nomination and had placed second in the party’s March 2020 presidential primary.

[The Mikado]

So I know Kanye West didn't file in Georgia, but do we know who DID file in Georgia? Hawkins' website hasn't updated to deal with Georgia yet.

Is GA going to be just Trump/Biden/Jorgensen on the ballot?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

According to wikipedia, JR Myers (the nominee for the obscure Life and Liberty Party) has ballot access in AK, AR and ID.

[StateBoiler]

So I know Kanye West didn't file in Georgia, but do we know who DID file in Georgia? Hawkins' website hasn't updated to deal with Georgia yet.

Is GA going to be just Trump/Biden/Jorgensen on the ballot?

It was only the main parties and the Libertarians on the ballot in 2016. Stein had write-in status only there.

[StateBoiler]

Ballot Access News: American Independent Party Nominates Rocky De La Fuente for President and Kanye West for Vice-President

On August 15, the American Independent Party, which exists only in California, held its state convention. It nominated presidential electors pledged to Rocky De La Fuente for president, and Kanye West for vice-president. The meeting was electronic with approximately 20 participants. The vote was unanimous, except for one abstention.

There is no law in California requiring general election presidential and vice-presidential candidates to assent to their nomination by a ballot-qualified party. The party had reached out to Kanye West in the past week, but could not reach him. De La Fuente, of course, had sought the party’s nomination and had placed second in the party’s March 2020 presidential primary.

100+ comments on the BAN article. Throwing out your normal gadflies, quite an argument amongst 3rd party people. William Saturn is an author at Independent Political Report. He has an axe to grind against De La Fuente, I think because he's just buying all these nominations.

[StateBoiler]

In Iowa, only the Republican and Democratic Parties are qualified parties, so all other parties must place their presidential nominee on the ballot by petition. Seven such petitions succeeded. They required 1,500 signatures.

The seven are: Don Blankenship, Rocky De La Fuente, Howie Hawkins, Jo Jorgensen, Ricki Sue King, Brock Pierce, and Kanye West. Ricki Sue King lives in Windsor Heights, Iowa, and her ballot label is “Genealogy Know Your Family History.”

[StateBoiler]

Vermont takes the title from Colorado this election for most.

The Vermont Secretary of State has posted the November 2020 candidate list. See it here. Click on “preliminary draft candidate listing for November 3.” For president, there will be 22 candidates on the ballot. The parties with presidential nominees are Democratic, Republican, Libertarian, Green, Constitution, Alliance, American Solidarity, Socialism & Liberation, Socialist Workers, Prohibition, Bread & Roses, and Approval Voting.

In addition, these independents qualified: Mark Charles, Richard Duncan, Gary Swing, Kyle Kopitke, Christopher LaFontaine, Keith McCormick, H. Brooke Paige, Brock Pierce, Zachary Scalf, and Kanye West.

Socialism & Liberation will appear on the ballot under the Liberty Union line.

Here's a good game. Pick who finishes last.

[The Mikado]

https://twitter.com/Jorgensen4POTUS/status/1296253938858184706

Jorgensen files in Alabama, probably the hardest remaining state. At this point, she has to be favored for actually pulling off 50 state ballot access, which is a hell of an accomplishment in this environment.

Just Virginia and Rhode Island to go for the LP.

[The Mikado]

Can we talk a bit about how f**king astonishing it is that in this climate, with these high hurdles to gathering signatures, Jo Jorgensen, who no one has ever heard of, is very likely to achieve 50 state ballot access? It's really a minor miracle and a pretty impressive flex by the Libertarian Party. Respect, you crazy bastards.

[StateBoiler]

Can we talk a bit about how f**king astonishing it is that in this climate, with these high hurdles to gathering signatures, Jo Jorgensen, who no one has ever heard of, is very likely to achieve 50 state ballot access? It's really a minor miracle and a pretty impressive flex by the Libertarian Party. Respect, you crazy bastards.

Harry Browne's VP nominee in 1996.

Seriously though, the LP is a larger and much more organized political party than it ever has been.

[walleye26]

I really wonder if the Libertarians do actually start to make real gains as Gen Z begins voting. They are pretty Libertarian friendly, even if there’s a large segment of them that Lean Democratic.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Colorado has a nice long presidential ballot:

    Bill Hammons/Eric Bodenstab, Unity Party of Colorado
    Howie Hawkins/Angela Nicole Walker, Green Party
    Blake Huber/Frank Atwood, Approval Voting Party
    Jo Jorgensen/Jeremy “Spike” Cohen, Libertarian Party
    Brian Carroll/Amar Patel, American Solidarity Party
    Phil Collins/Billy Joe Parker, Prohibition Party
    Roque “Rocky” De La Fuente/Darcy G. Richardson, Alliance Party
    Dario Hunter/Dawn Neptune Adams, Progressive Party
    Alyson Kennedy/Malcolm Jarrett, Socialist Workers Party
    Joseph Kishore/Norissa Santa Cruz, Socialist Equality Party
    Kyle Kenley Kopitke/Nathan Re Vo Sorenson, American Independent Party
    Gloria La Riva/Sunil Freeman, Party for Socialism and Liberation
    Mark Charles/Sedinam Moyowasifza Curry, unaffiliated
    Princess Khadijah Maryam Jacob-Fambro/Khadijah Maryam Jacob Sr., unaffiliated
    Joe McHugh/Liz Storm, unaffiliated
    Brock Pierce/Karla Ballard, unaffiliated
    Jordan “Cancer” Scott/Jennifer Tepool, unaffiliated
    Kanye West/Michelle Tidball, unaffiliated
    Kasey Wells/Rachel Wells, write-in
    Todd Cella/Timothy Bryan Cella, write-in
    Tom Hoefling/Andy Prior, write-in
    Valerie McCray/Mary Lett, write-in

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/19/presidential-candidates-2020-colorado-ballot/

[Ferguson97]

I really wonder if the Libertarians do actually start to make real gains as Gen Z begins voting. They are pretty Libertarian friendly, even if there’s a large segment of them that Lean Democratic.

As a member of Gen Z, I can tell you it will have the lowest percentage of libertarian voters of any generation. A lot of people think libertarians are jokes. Some might go to Greens or be Independent, but it'll be overwhelmingly Democratic.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

I really wonder if the Libertarians do actually start to make real gains as Gen Z begins voting. They are pretty Libertarian friendly, even if there’s a large segment of them that Lean Democratic.

They'll take a chunk of the Republican-leaning electorate in the age group, which is much smaller than the Democratic electorate. Your typical young libertarian voter (in my personal experience, not saying it's exhaustive) is usually either someone who grew up wealthy/upper middle class and doesn't understand why people worry about paying for healthcare, or, weirdly, a lot of people in the military who also don't have to worry about healthcare or college and thinks cutting government waste won't apply to them. Also your random gems who think abolishing the ATF/child labor laws/minimum wage is a good idea. I see their ceiling as 5-10%. Most young people are either progressive or liberal.  

[BaldEagle1991]

Can we talk a bit about how f**king astonishing it is that in this climate, with these high hurdles to gathering signatures, Jo Jorgensen, who no one has ever heard of, is very likely to achieve 50 state ballot access? It's really a minor miracle and a pretty impressive flex by the Libertarian Party. Respect, you crazy bastards.

You can thank social media for that.

[StateBoiler]

I really wonder if the Libertarians do actually start to make real gains as Gen Z begins voting. They are pretty Libertarian friendly, even if there’s a large segment of them that Lean Democratic.

They'll take a chunk of the Republican-leaning electorate in the age group, which is much smaller than the Democratic electorate. Your typical young libertarian voter (in my personal experience, not saying it's exhaustive) is usually either someone who grew up wealthy/upper middle class and doesn't understand why people worry about paying for healthcare, or, weirdly, a lot of people in the military who also don't have to worry about healthcare or college and thinks cutting government waste won't apply to them. Also your random gems who think abolishing the ATF/child labor laws/minimum wage is a good idea. I see their ceiling as 5-10%. Most young people are either progressive or liberal.  

I dispute that some.

The best Libertarian area in Fort Wayne, Indiana, based on crunching precinct results is the downtown City Council district that's always been held by a white Democrat and skews younger as far as average voter. Their worst area is the heavily black Democratic district south of downtown. This is based on looking for data in big races - president, governor, Senator, Representative. In 2016 when the Democrats nominated a horrible candidate for Congress, the Libertarian candidate got 12.4% of the vote there, which was 5 points higher than her county-wide percentage.

They also perform better in cities than they do non-incorporated areas based on my data.

I think the next big recruiting/voting potential for the Libertarians is rural Democrats, who cannot win an election and the national Democratic Party is going in the direction of telling them to f&ck off. That's a large number of votes and I think rural Democrats are like some city Republicans of they're getting so small they're in danger of losing 2nd party status.

[The Mikado]

I wish the Constitution Party would put its ballot access progress...anywhere...online.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I really wonder if the Libertarians do actually start to make real gains as Gen Z begins voting. They are pretty Libertarian friendly, even if there’s a large segment of them that Lean Democratic.

They'll take a chunk of the Republican-leaning electorate in the age group, which is much smaller than the Democratic electorate. Your typical young libertarian voter (in my personal experience, not saying it's exhaustive) is usually either someone who grew up wealthy/upper middle class and doesn't understand why people worry about paying for healthcare, or, weirdly, a lot of people in the military who also don't have to worry about healthcare or college and thinks cutting government waste won't apply to them. Also your random gems who think abolishing the ATF/child labor laws/minimum wage is a good idea. I see their ceiling as 5-10%. Most young people are either progressive or liberal. 

How can you talk about the reasons young people vote libertarian and not include weed and foreign wars?

[DaleCooper]

The Libertarians will have some success with "dude-bro", for lack of a better word, white men in Gen Z and the younger end of the Millennial generation who are disgusted by social justice warriors but not comfortable with voting Republican. That's about it, though.

[AltWorlder]

A lot of those dudes just become alt-right or groypers or some other right-wing niche ideology, though. For the more libertarian angle, they might become AnCap. Does the Libertarian party have an AnCap faction?