Federalist Chair Election Townhall

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Feel free to ask me anything related to the Federalist Party.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

What exactly was the whole strategy behind running Siren/Muaddib? Was there serious evidence you had that it would win notable levels of Labor defections? There was certainly some resistance to the ticket from parts of the fed base and it may have actually widened Pericles margin by a couple points compared to what a standard conservative ticket would have gotten.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What exactly was the whole strategy behind running Siren/Muaddib? Was there serious evidence you had that it would win notable levels of Labor defections? There was certainly some resistance to the ticket from parts of the fed base and it may have actually widened Pericles margin by a couple points compared to what a standard conservative ticket would have gotten.

She wanted to run for it, is well respected and has significant experience.

Presidency is a horrendously annoying job that takes immense amounts of time, is insanely difficult to obtain and then once you do, it is easy to get burned out quickly. Therefore, in a situation with a limited bench and almost nonexistant path to victory, it shouldn't be surprising that few are chomping at the bit to run for President, especially in the current era where failed candidates both are self-shaming and discord shamed into oblivion. In a previous era there was not this stigma and you had frequent candidacies by people that helped bring competition and differing perspectives even if there was little chance of victory.

I am not aware of any other motivations, though I can guess some were posited at points in some discord server or another.

[S019]

Do you believe that a pivot towards neoliberal ideas similar to those promoted by the Third Way Left could help the Federalist Party? Why or why not?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do you believe that a pivot towards neoliberal ideas similar to those promoted by the Third Way Left could help the Federalist Party? Why or why not?

Are there 30 to 40 people who presently hold those positions, who would change their votes as a result?

[Former President tack50]

The other day on Discord I launched a comparison between some real life electorates in the US, and some US states.

My conclusion was that the electorate in Atlasia most closely resembles that of states like Vermont (55D-30R), Maryland (55D-25R) or Hawaii (54D-29R)

While real life comparisons can only really take you so far and often they fail, it is worth noting that in real life the first 2 states actually have Republican governors (and both elected in landslides)

So why have Federalists been unable to win for a long time? Is there no suitable candidate like the R governors of those 2 states? Is it because of the online nature of the game? Is it something else?

[OBD]

If Biden is elected in November, would you expect the Feds to make a bounceback, and if so, how large of one?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The other day on Discord I launched a comparison between some real life electorates in the US, and some US states.

My conclusion was that the electorate in Atlasia most closely resembles that of states like Vermont (55D-30R), Maryland (55D-25R) or Hawaii (54D-29R)

While real life comparisons can only really take you so far and often they fail, it is worth noting that in real life the first 2 states actually have Republican governors (and both elected in landslides)

So why have Federalists been unable to win for a long time? Is there no suitable candidate like the R governors of those 2 states? Is it because of the online nature of the game? Is it something else?

Those states have something called vote splitting, which doesn't happen in Atlasia much anymore.

[Sestak]

Which Labor power player do you find the most annoying?

Which Fed one?

[Pericles]

The other day on Discord I launched a comparison between some real life electorates in the US, and some US states.

My conclusion was that the electorate in Atlasia most closely resembles that of states like Vermont (55D-30R), Maryland (55D-25R) or Hawaii (54D-29R)

While real life comparisons can only really take you so far and often they fail, it is worth noting that in real life the first 2 states actually have Republican governors (and both elected in landslides)

So why have Federalists been unable to win for a long time? Is there no suitable candidate like the R governors of those 2 states? Is it because of the online nature of the game? Is it something else?

Those states have something called vote splitting, which doesn't happen in Atlasia much anymore.

Larry Hogan got 51% in 2014 (and 55% in 2018) though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Which Labor power player do you find the most annoying?

Which Fed one?

I couldn't care less about this petty high school, discord bs.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The other day on Discord I launched a comparison between some real life electorates in the US, and some US states.

My conclusion was that the electorate in Atlasia most closely resembles that of states like Vermont (55D-30R), Maryland (55D-25R) or Hawaii (54D-29R)

While real life comparisons can only really take you so far and often they fail, it is worth noting that in real life the first 2 states actually have Republican governors (and both elected in landslides)

So why have Federalists been unable to win for a long time? Is there no suitable candidate like the R governors of those 2 states? Is it because of the online nature of the game? Is it something else?

Those states have something called vote splitting, which doesn't happen in Atlasia much anymore.

Larry Hogan got 51% in 2014 (and 55% in 2018) though.

The voters that used to make elections like that here possible are now solidly in the Labor camp.

[Former President tack50]

Posting here not to derail the Fed convention

Despite Yankee's points on "we are recruiting everywhere we can", I would say recent results disprove that point and the net is not being cast wide enough.

The inescapable truth is that, if Federalists want to win an election, it is not good enough to recruit conservatives and centrists. They are going to also need to recruit a good chunk of the D-state blob that is all too common on Atlas these days.

These are people who are firmly on the left even if they are not radical socialists. But if these people do not vote Federalist, the party is screwed and will not win an election.

The Federalists can be a firmly right of center party; or a winning party but in Atlasia they cannot be both

Of course, the question is how to recruit them and I do not have an answer to that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Posting here not to derail the Fed convention

Despite Yankee's points on "we are recruiting everywhere we can", I would say recent results disprove that point and the net is not being cast wide enough.

The inescapable truth is that, if Federalists want to win an election, it is not good enough to recruit conservatives and centrists. They are going to also need to recruit a good chunk of the D-state blob that is all too common on Atlas these days.

These are people who are firmly on the left even if they are not radical socialists. But if these people do not vote Federalist, the party is screwed and will not win an election.

The Federalists can be a firmly right of center party; or a winning party but in Atlasia they cannot be both

Of course, the question is how to recruit them and I do not have an answer to that.

What reason do they have to join us when they can just join you guys? There is nothing about you or about us that would induce them not to join you in a vacuum with all things being equal. Its not like the olden days were a good chunk of the center-left hated Labor's guts because of what it did to the Liberal Party.

[Former President tack50]

Posting here not to derail the Fed convention

Despite Yankee's points on "we are recruiting everywhere we can", I would say recent results disprove that point and the net is not being cast wide enough.

The inescapable truth is that, if Federalists want to win an election, it is not good enough to recruit conservatives and centrists. They are going to also need to recruit a good chunk of the D-state blob that is all too common on Atlas these days.

These are people who are firmly on the left even if they are not radical socialists. But if these people do not vote Federalist, the party is screwed and will not win an election.

The Federalists can be a firmly right of center party; or a winning party but in Atlasia they cannot be both

Of course, the question is how to recruit them and I do not have an answer to that.

What reason do they have to join us when they can just join you guys? There is nothing about you or about us that would induce them not to join you in a vacuum with all things being equal. Its not like the olden days were a good chunk of the center-left hated Labor's guts because of what it did to the Liberal Party.

Like I said I do not have an answer to that; that is for you to figure out

[diptheriadan]

"You should totally do this thing. I have no idea if it will work, or how to implement it, but you should totally do it"

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

As I think the Lincoln Special demonstrated, thankfully these "not radical leftist Ds" are in the Labor party already and while they might not always vote the party line, in my analysis they do vote correctly in more important contests. I would hope that they do not switch parties.

[Blair]

And to think I warned last night that there wasn't going to be any blood at this convention!

[S019]

Do you believe that a pivot towards neoliberal ideas similar to those promoted by the Third Way Left could help the Federalist Party? Why or why not?

Are there 30 to 40 people who presently hold those positions, who would change their votes as a result?

I'm sure you could appeal to moderate Democrats this way. Anyways, several recent elections have shown that the Federalist Party/right-leaning indies can be at least somewhat competitive, for instance lfromnj had a strong showing in the December 2019 Senate race and AustralianSwingVoter regularly wins close to half of the vote in Parliamentary elections in extremely liberal Fremont. This convinces me that the right is not yet dead, and that it is still viable. Do you have the same thoughts about these specific elections, why or why not?

[Former President tack50]

"You should totally do this thing. I have no idea if it will work, or how to implement it, but you should totally do it"

Like I always say, there are on paper 3 ways for Feds to make a comeback given the makeup of Atlas-at large right now

1) Win defections based on ideological moderation. This basically requires the Feds to become the "Bidenist party" for good while somehow looking more credible than Labor doing that.

2) Win defections based on friendship. This requires one Fed to basically talk to people (most likely on Discord, though it can be done on forum, but it is much harder there) and become friends with them, getting them to vote as their friend says. This was the strategy used by DFW and later by YT.

3) Recruit more people. Basically get more blue, yellow, brown and lime green avatars to join Atlasia and vote.

I think we can already discard 3 from the start since, per multiple Feds' admissions, there is certainly no untapped mass of blue avatars lying around.

2 is probably the easiest of the 3; but unless the Feds have some unused DFW-like character laying around collecting dust, it is not happening. I suppose unless YT returns or a new DFW joins Atlasia, this can be safely discarded

That leaves strategy 1, probably the hardest of the 3 but also the only one that can be realistically implemented as of now.

As I say I have no idea how to implement any of the 3; but it is also not my job to do so. If I felt it was my job, I'd be joining the Federalists.

[Mike Thick]

To build on what Tack said, I think the only chance Feds have to be competitive is to just keep recruiting/running new people, and to pray that one of them turns out to be a (no offense to dfw) dfw-style personality cult leader.

Even that probably won’t be enough, since 2020 Labor isn’t going to roll over and let dozens of defections happen like 2017 Labor did