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Question: how do you feel about CHAZ? how do you think it will end?
#1
I approve and think they're doing a good job
 
#2
I approve, but I don't like how it's being run
 
#3
I approve, and I'm not sure how I feel about how it's being run yet
 
#4
I'm not sure how I feel about it yet
 
#5
I understand why they did it, but I do not approve.  We ain't there yet.
 
#6
I disapprove
 
#7
I strongly disapprove
 
#8
it will end when the people inside grow bored and go home
 
#9
it will end when the local police take it back
 
#10
it will end when local citizens take it back
 
#11
it will end when the state calls in the National Guard
 
#12
it will end when the feds call in the military or other federal agency
 
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PSOL
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« on: June 12, 2020, 05:08:16 PM »

Approve 100%. The people must take back their homes away from a system only in place to oppress them, and CHAZ, while it will not grow , is an important first step in taking the streets to the people and away from the police. The mutual aide networks and strategies now learned since this and Occupy in 2011 will be instrumental in the future.

I think CHAZ will get abandoned after things die down, but the spirit of it will live on even as the structure gets demolished.
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2020, 06:57:17 PM »

I mean, my understanding is that it's essentially just functioning as an unsupervised festival in the middle of Seattle most of the time? Which is fine.
By all accounts it acts as a spectacle into what the future could be, what with the medical makeshift clinics there and the constant partying.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2020, 03:03:12 PM »

You are missing in the left quadrant for the past 2,000 years; Most Hunter-Gatherer populations, Diggers, Levellers, Iroquois confederation, CNT-AIT Free Spanish Territory, Anarchist Ukraine, ELZN communes, and Rojava. You also need to shift Venezuela more to the centre of its quadrant and Nazi Germany to the middle right of its quadrant.

Comparing one small block to the major powers of any ideology, must less representing all of Anarchist or Libertarian Socialist ideology is kinda weak tbh.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2020, 01:09:02 PM »

I will say this - it isn't quite as bad as it was made out to be, but I still downright oppose the idea that the collective mob can expropriate private property without the sanction of the state.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/876714162

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SALVADOR SAHAGUN: Black Lives Matter really saved our business, though. It's just kind of an amazing thing 'cause we were really struggling with the corona recession.

ALLAM: Salvador Sahagun is the manager of a Mexican restaurant on the edge of the CHAZ. He says the business from protesters has been a godsend. Sahagun voted for Trump in 2016 and might do so again in November. Still, he says, the president is way off-base when it comes to what's happening here.

Trump/Chaz voter .
That's actually pretty interesting. If Chaz was going to turn into some alt-left Waco style sh!t show, it'd have happened a week ago by now. So long as residents and the likes of Mr. Sahagun aren't being bullied, harassed, or intimidated, than maybe....maybe something cool could come from this.

Honestly, I don't see why the modern American left doesn't embrace a more pastoral vision of communal living. Hippies did that throughout the country in the sixties. You work in gardens growing fruits, vegetables, and cannabis together, you take care of one another, drop acid and listen to some groovy psychedelic rock, free love, etc. Go find some rural property in Oregon or something and set it up. I'd encourage that, actually.
They tried that and it failed and was widely discredited by the early late 1800s.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2020, 10:02:53 PM »

People are going to make it political because picking on your average college yuppies/antifa narrative always runs well with conservative media outlets. People wouldn't be seriously talking about this if people weren't sensitive [social] media snowflakes. You don't feel more empowered or stick it to the libs by speaking out & compelling action about an utterly trite & non-sensical topic like CHAZ. But I digress.
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Rude, it’s actually quite understandable of what point the poster is trying to make.
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