2024: Harris vs. Haley

[progressive85]

If Joe Biden wins in 2020 and decides not to run for a second term, Vice President Kamala Harris becomes the Democratic nominee, and Nikki Haley defeats Mike Pence and Donald Trump, Jr. in the Republican primary, what does the map look like then?

Which swing states are good fits for Harris, and which ones are bad fits - and the same for Haley?

[here2view]

Vice President Kamala Harris - 276 EVs
Governor Nikki Haley - 262 EVs

State margins are represented by 30% tossup, 50% lean, 70% likely, and 90% safe.

[Progressive Pessimist]

There are a lot of variables to this, but one thing I am sure of is that Nikki Haley will never be nominated by the Republican Party, no matter how much she is pushed on the party's base.

[Barack Oganja]

Haley is overrated, I'd be more scared of someone like DeSantis or Hawley

[Ferguson97]

Haley is overrated, I'd be more scared of someone like DeSantis or Hawley

DeSantis is uncharismatic. But Hawley is populist enough to win.

[2016]

There are a lot of variables to this, but one thing I am sure of is that Nikki Haley will never be nominated by the Republican Party, no matter how much she is pushed on the party's base.

I will come back to this because you will be total wrong.
The First Female President will be Republican and not a Democrat.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

There are a lot of variables to this, but one thing I am sure of is that Nikki Haley will never be nominated by the Republican Party, no matter how much she is pushed on the party's base.

I will come back to this because you will be total wrong.
The First Female President will be Republican and not a Democrat.

This is odds-on, but Haley's nomination is not.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Haley is overrated, I'd be more scared of someone like DeSantis or Hawley

DeSantis is uncharismatic. But Hawley is populist enough to win.

Hawley also lacks charisma.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

There are a lot of variables to this, but one thing I am sure of is that Nikki Haley will never be nominated by the Republican Party, no matter how much she is pushed on the party's base.

I will come back to this because you will be total wrong.
The First Female President will be Republican and not a Democrat.

This is odds-on, but Haley's nomination is not.

The Republican Party is not going to nominate a woman in the near future... they rarely even nominate them in congressional races.

[dw93]

I think the GOP will nominate Pence, Hawley, DeSantis, Cotton, or Pompeo in 2024 with Haley being the running mate.  The Democrats are favored to win that election. I think in 2028, if there's a Biden win in 2020 and a win by Biden's VP in 2024, the GOP will nominate Crenshaw and who wins is anyone's guess.

[OkThen]

If the GOP nominates a woman in 2024, I think Blackburn would have a better shot than Haley for the nomination.

[Rookie Yinzer]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

If the GOP nominates a woman in 2024, I think Blackburn would have a better shot than Haley for the nomination.

Blackburn would get steamrolled in a matchup, so I'd welcome that! She's like Sarah Palin, but with half the IQ and triple the insanity. 

[Roll Roons]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She managed to get elected in a conservative Southern state as a relatively unknown state rep who beat three better-known white men (a Congressman, the Lt Gov and the state AG) in the Republican primary. If she could succeed there, her ethnicity wouldn't really be an issue in a presidential primary.

[Ferguson97]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She'll be their "I'm not racist/sexist" shield

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She managed to get elected in a conservative Southern state as a relatively unknown state rep who beat three better-known white men (a Congressman, the Lt Gov and the state AG) in the Republican primary. If she could succeed there, her ethnicity wouldn't really be an issue in a presidential primary.

You're leaving out the fact that she barely won a pretty solid red state during a Republican wave year in 2010.

[Landslide Lyndon]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She managed to get elected in a conservative Southern state as a relatively unknown state rep who beat three better-known white men (a Congressman, the Lt Gov and the state AG) in the Republican primary. If she could succeed there, her ethnicity wouldn't really be an issue in a presidential primary.

You're leaving out the fact that she barely won a pretty solid red state during a Republican wave year in 2010.

This. Her massive underperformance against a solid but unremarkable Democratic opponent was a real eye-opener.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

Racist.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She managed to get elected in a conservative Southern state as a relatively unknown state rep who beat three better-known white men (a Congressman, the Lt Gov and the state AG) in the Republican primary. If she could succeed there, her ethnicity wouldn't really be an issue in a presidential primary.

You're leaving out the fact that she barely won a pretty solid red state during a Republican wave year in 2010.

Bad take. I don't like her, but she only almost lost because of the Sanford scandal.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Haley = Rubio

Hawley = Christie/Carson

DeSantis = Walker/Trump if no one more pro Trump comes in

Cruz = Cruz

Possible Trump == Trump if one of them runs

[President Johnson]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She managed to get elected in a conservative Southern state as a relatively unknown state rep who beat three better-known white men (a Congressman, the Lt Gov and the state AG) in the Republican primary. If she could succeed there, her ethnicity wouldn't really be an issue in a presidential primary.

You're leaving out the fact that she barely won a pretty solid red state during a Republican wave year in 2010.

This. Her massive underperformance against a solid but unremarkable Democratic opponent was a real eye-opener.

Fully agree. However, we need to say Kamala underperformed in her 2010 attorney general election. Yes, it was a Republican wave, but California is a deep blue state and this election should have been won by more than a single point. Jerry Brown destroyed Meg Whitman by 13 points and Gavin Newsom defeated an incumbent by double digits as well.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Kamala Harris wont ever be Prez, she blew her chance in 2020. I dont even want her to run after, AA united behind Harris and she got owned in a debate by Tulsi Gabbard.

Whitmer and Newsom will be the nominees in 2024. Can we get a new topic already, pollsters on this board have talking over and over again about Harris for Veep or Harris for Prez in 2024. It's getting old, already. Harris says she is united behind Biden and wants to concentrate on being the best Senator

[SevenEleven]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She managed to get elected in a conservative Southern state as a relatively unknown state rep who beat three better-known white men (a Congressman, the Lt Gov and the state AG) in the Republican primary. If she could succeed there, her ethnicity wouldn't really be an issue in a presidential primary.

You're leaving out the fact that she barely won a pretty solid red state during a Republican wave year in 2010.

You're leaving out the fact that she easily trounced the same opponent in a more recent election that was similarly Republican-leaning.

I don't like Haley but this take is baseless.

[SevenEleven]

A woman with the birth name of Nimrata Randhawa is not winning the nomination.

If she got it through some shenanigans at the convention Harris would steam roll her. Lol at y’all thinking white men would turn out for Haley.

She managed to get elected in a conservative Southern state as a relatively unknown state rep who beat three better-known white men (a Congressman, the Lt Gov and the state AG) in the Republican primary. If she could succeed there, her ethnicity wouldn't really be an issue in a presidential primary.

You're leaving out the fact that she barely won a pretty solid red state during a Republican wave year in 2010.

This. Her massive underperformance against a solid but unremarkable Democratic opponent was a real eye-opener.

Fully agree. However, we need to say Kamala underperformed in her 2010 attorney general election. Yes, it was a Republican wave, but California is a deep blue state and this election should have been won by more than a single point. Jerry Brown destroyed Meg Whitman by 13 points and Gavin Newsom defeated an incumbent by double digits as well.

There's a reason why Dems underperform when it comes to AG, Schools, and Insurance. Fairly obvious ones, honestly.

Gavin Newsom has never defeated an elected incumbent by double digits. Let's not resort to GOP-esque disinformation.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

New topic please, Harris for Veep has already be exhausted on this forum already and now its Harris for Prez of 2024