SENATE BILL: Atlas Fantasy Government Board Description Act (Passed)

[Former President tack50]

As it currently stands I would fully oppose this bill. I know what the moderators told us to do, but I think that forcing the categorization of the 3 regions into 3 separate boards is a VERY bad idea for 2 main reasons:

a) It essencially ties our hands for the entire future. I do not expect the 3 region scheme to go away any time soon, but what if we find ourselves in a situation where we would want to create a 4th region or restore the old 5 region scheme? Or if we wanted to, for some reason go down to 2 regions. Or if we wanted to rename the regions (the South has often discussed renaming itself to Jefferson).

I do not want to depend on the moderators for any government reforms, no matter how responsive they would be.

b) More importantly this bill would necessitate Yankee or Lumine to move a huge amount of bills to the appropiate subboards once they are created.

As it stands now, the Regional Governments board stands at 35 pages that were created after the reset. Do we seriously want Yankee/Lumine to have to manually move 35 pages worth of threads to their appropiate new boards. I certainly do not think it is a good idea.

I also like how all 3 regions share a single board and think the more boards you have the more complex and hard to follow things are; but I recognize I am in the minority here.

[Former President tack50]

Even if some kind of code filter can be created, I don't think it will ever be precise enough to avoid big manual changes. All 3 regions have also used several different schemes to name bills in the past as well, so there would be a lot of cleanup and filtering to do. (and that does not even account for the possibility of false positives!)

As for responsiveness, I know Virginia is a lot more responsive than Dave to requests, but still, how long into the future will that be true? Atlasia was created 16 years ago after all

I would rather not depend on Virginia for any changes to the future regional structure of Atlasia.

[Former President tack50]

I must be missing something here, but don't the three regional governments already have their own sub boards?  What would this change exactly?

As of now there is only a single "Regional Governments" board. This bill would (if Virginia allows) split that board into 4; 1 board for each of the regions, plus a 4th archive board for pre-reset regional stuff

[Former President tack50]

I object because I want to introduce an amendment first even if I am 100% sure it will fail

I will try to have it ready today or tomorrow

[Former President tack50]

Ok here is the amendment I promised. I really should have introduced it a lot earlier and I apologize for it.

Atlas Fantasy Government Board Description Act

As requested by Virginia, an Act to provide a description for the Atlas Fantasy Government board and creation of regional government sub boards.

Be it enacted by the Congress of the Republic of Atlasia assembled

A formal request shall be made to the moderators of the Atlas Forum that:

1. The description added to the Atlas Fantasy Government Board should state:
"Government of the Republic of Atlasia, including the Atlasian House, Senate, Presidency and Supreme Court".

2. Sub boards should be created for each of Atlasia's regions under the Atlas Fantasy Government board to facilitate the passage of legislation and other proceedings of regional governments. Descriptions should be added to regional sub boards on the request of the corresponding regional government.

3. All threads started in the Regional Governments sub board on or since June 9, 2016 should be allocated to the correct regional sub board.

4. All threads started in the Regional Governments sub board before June 9, 2016 should be allocated to a sub board of the Atlasian Fantasy Government board named "Regional Governments Archive."

5. The description for the Regional Governments Archive should state:
"Archive of materials created by regional governments prior to the enacting of the Fourth Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia on June 9, 2016."

Tbh I know everyone has made it clear that this is going ahead as-is and there is not really anything I can do to change this but whatever. If I was president I'd certainly veto the bill even if I knew said veto would get overridden.

And yes I know this gets rid of 80% of the bill but it's really me to keep the status quo as much as possible

If someone thinks of a compromise option, please tell me and I would almost certainly take it.

[Former President tack50]

Aye

[Former President tack50]

That is why I proposed my amenmdent in fact

Anyways how do you filibuster a bill? /s

[Former President tack50]

Would it be easier to just archive the existing Regional Board, and just have the new boards for new threads for each region, so that no old threads will need to be allocated?

I doubt that anyone wants to waste their time moving each thread, so I'd say so.

I disagree. I think it would be more convenient for all threads of post-reset regions to be included their respective regional board for sake of easier access when needing to research the current laws. But this wouldn't be that big of a deal since we have the wiki for that purpose, so I don't have strong feelings regarding that.

I mean, if you want to try convincing Yankee, Lumine, or Virginia to move each thread in the regional board going back to 2016, be my guest.

I actually raised this concern before when this was discussed in the modcave and apparently there is a way to filter the threads in the code using a key word. I am not an expert on this matter, but perhaps if someone who is not presently in the current moments boycotting discord for reasons personal health and sanity, might want to try DMing her for clarification, as my PM yielded no response.

I mean, I obviously cannot try a test run since I am not a moderator, but my big fear is that such a filter is never going to be precise enough. Filtering pre-reset from post-reset is easy because it is just a fixed date; but the 3 regions all have used different numbering and schemes for their bills. Plus, using a filter for say, "S" for South will turn out so many false positives that it'd be useless.

And like Scott said, if you and Lumine want to manually move tens of pages worth of threads, be my guest

[Former President tack50]

Aren't very good at this filibuster thing I see.

Tbh I was memeing

But if you want me to post random stuff daily, your wish is my command!

Scotts comments do give me hope that the bill can be amended at least for what is worth. (Or hopefully defeated)

[Former President tack50]

Nay!!!!