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« on: May 22, 2020, 12:23:25 PM »

Biden - 59
Trump - 37
Undecided - 5

1070 LV, Conducted May 19-20, +/- 3%
https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2020/05/npi-poll-finds-joe-biden-on-track-for-landslide-washington-state-win-in-november-2020.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2020, 12:24:22 PM »


Biden underperforming yet again. Trump could possibly be at 40% in this poll!
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2020, 12:24:32 PM »

What's up with all these Washington polls?
It's not like the state is competitive at any level.
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2020, 12:26:48 PM »

This is 6 points better than Hillary did, and consistent with an 8 point national lead.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2020, 12:32:56 PM »

Hillary won this state by 15.71, so this is a swing of 6.29%. Kim Schrier's seat would go from a Clinton+3 (Tilt/Lean D) seat to a Biden+9.3 (Likely D) seat. Additionally, Jaime Herrera Beutler goes from a Trump+7.4 (Lean/Likely R) seat to a Trump +1.1 (Tossup/Tilt R) seat. Cathy McMorris Rogers' previously safe Trump+13.1 seat becomes a Lean/Likely R Trump+6.8 seat. So, the main implications here seem to be Schrier looks safe-ish, Beutler could be in real trouble, and Rogers could be vulnerable in a big wave.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2020, 01:54:22 PM »

Hillary won this state by 15.71, so this is a swing of 6.29%. Kim Schrier's seat would go from a Clinton+3 (Tilt/Lean D) seat to a Biden+9.3 (Likely D) seat. Additionally, Jaime Herrera Beutler goes from a Trump+7.4 (Lean/Likely R) seat to a Trump +1.1 (Tossup/Tilt R) seat. Cathy McMorris Rogers' previously safe Trump+13.1 seat becomes a Lean/Likely R Trump+6.8 seat. So, the main implications here seem to be Schrier looks safe-ish, Beutler could be in real trouble, and Rogers could be vulnerable in a big wave.

It should be noted that the House PV margin in 2018 was more Democratic than this poll, and the Republican incumbents you listed held on by a fair bit (Beutler +5.4, Rodgers +9.5).
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 02:12:21 PM »
« Edited: May 22, 2020, 02:21:40 PM by Make PA Blue Again! »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 02:13:52 PM »

A bit Democratic-friendly, but not too far-fetched.
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2020, 04:18:08 PM »

It's so nice to see a democrat running up Obama-in-'08 kind of numbers in blue states again.

Not that I ever thought trump had a good chance to do so in the first place, but #'s like these along with the recent polls showing high single digit to low double digit national leads for Biden should completely crush any hope the trump campaign had of "expanding the map" to Clinton states that were close in '16 like MN, NM, NV and NH. Indeed, the opposite is true; Biden is expanding the map into trump states like TX, OH, IA and GA.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2020, 05:02:58 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2020, 05:04:39 PM »

WA still or used to have residual Asian-American voters that tend to vote republican. Those voters have largely abandoned the Republican party, I suspect further erosion with growing anti-Asian racism fueled by Trump's rhetoric. A similar pattern could be seen in Orange County, CA Vietnamese precincts as Vietnamese-American voters swing further to the Democrats.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2020, 05:10:15 PM »

WA still or used to have residual Asian-American voters that tend to vote republican. Those voters have largely abandoned the Republican party, I suspect further erosion with growing anti-Asian racism fueled by Trump's rhetoric. A similar pattern could be seen in Orange County, CA Vietnamese precincts as Vietnamese-American voters swing further to the Democrats.
Yeah, the GOP really messed up with Asian-American voters. They went from being rather reliably Republican before the 2000s to reliably Democratic in recent times. Trump has just made things even worse.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2020, 05:21:06 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.

I'm only 22 so I don't really remember politics from the Bush era, but did Democrats even hate Bush this much?
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2020, 05:28:03 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.

I'm only 22 so I don't really remember politics from the Bush era, but did Democrats even hate Bush this much?

I hated Bush, but nothing even remotely close to how much I despise trump. I was literally saying to my sister the other day that I'd give my right arm to have Bush instead of trump these past 4 years b/c he wouldn't be nearly as bad.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2020, 05:49:25 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.

I'm only 22 so I don't really remember politics from the Bush era, but did Democrats even hate Bush this much?

I probably despised Bush more 2003-2006 than I ever have Trump, but I was pretty plugged in.

W basically gave up and stopped doing anything in 2007. It was also the time Bush hating became cool and I was very much "where the hell were you?"

W was at his worst before 2006 castrated him, but it was only after that that the majority of Americans went all "f**k that guy" about him.

Trump has literally never been more popular than unpopular. People lost their careers criticizing W. People made their careers criticizing Trump. Different dynamic.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2020, 05:52:32 PM »
« Edited: May 22, 2020, 05:56:32 PM by Cory Booker »

They give us another WA poll instead of a ME poll with Senate race included, not very smart
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2020, 06:49:15 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.

I'm only 22 so I don't really remember politics from the Bush era, but did Democrats even hate Bush this much?

Bush was more subtle in how he alienated the people who never voted for him.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2020, 07:59:34 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.

I'm only 22 so I don't really remember politics from the Bush era, but did Democrats even hate Bush this much?

Bush was more subtle in how he alienated the people who never voted for him.

Eh. As a non-Christian, I felt massively left out of W's speeches and campaign themes, which were about restoring America's Christian roots. W honestly scared me in ways that Trump didn't in that respect because I 100% feel like I'm not part of the Religious Right's vision of America. Trump never ever mentions Jesus, which helps a lot on that level.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2020, 09:00:24 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.

I'm only 22 so I don't really remember politics from the Bush era, but did Democrats even hate Bush this much?

Bush was more subtle in how he alienated the people who never voted for him.

Eh. As a non-Christian, I felt massively left out of W's speeches and campaign themes, which were about restoring America's Christian roots. W honestly scared me in ways that Trump didn't in that respect because I 100% feel like I'm not part of the Religious Right's vision of America. Trump never ever mentions Jesus, which helps a lot on that level.

Meh, where has Bush was smart enough to politician to understand not to put Capital towards advancing the religious right agenda, Trump is more than enough of an idiot that he will write Mike Pence a blank check to do whatever is necessary.
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2020, 09:19:57 PM »

These polls showing Biden winning by historical numbers in traditionally blue states are very interesting.

And not surprising to me. Democrats haven't hated any Republican candidate this much in a long, long time if ever. In 2016 a lot of them stayed home or protest voted, thinking either he couldn't win or that it wouldn't be so bad if he did. Not so this time.

I'm only 22 so I don't really remember politics from the Bush era, but did Democrats even hate Bush this much?

Yes (if not more so). The main difference is that social media in its current state didn't exist back then, so the daily dose of online hatred was largely confined to places like DU, DailyKos & Atlas Forum back then, which meant only the Very Online, Very Political types were exposed to it. YouTube didn't start until 2005, Facebook didn't open to the public until like 2006-07 and Twitter didn't begin taking off until like 2008-09. Obama was the first true "Online Candidate" for this reason.
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2020, 07:38:06 PM »

WA still or used to have residual Asian-American voters that tend to vote republican. Those voters have largely abandoned the Republican party, I suspect further erosion with growing anti-Asian racism fueled by Trump's rhetoric. A similar pattern could be seen in Orange County, CA Vietnamese precincts as Vietnamese-American voters swing further to the Democrats.
Yeah, the GOP really messed up with Asian-American voters. They went from being rather reliably Republican before the 2000s to reliably Democratic in recent times. Trump has just made things even worse.

The shift began under President Bill Clinton, who made a deliberate effort to court the Asian-American political community.  The first sign this was bearing fruit was in 1996.  Clinton narrowly lost the Asian-American vote to Bob Dole 44%-48%, a significant improvement over the 31%-55% gap in 1992.  In 2000, Gore won Asians 55%-41%.  The gap has only grown in the years since.
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2020, 09:16:23 PM »

WA still or used to have residual Asian-American voters that tend to vote republican. Those voters have largely abandoned the Republican party, I suspect further erosion with growing anti-Asian racism fueled by Trump's rhetoric. A similar pattern could be seen in Orange County, CA Vietnamese precincts as Vietnamese-American voters swing further to the Democrats.
Yeah, the GOP really messed up with Asian-American voters. They went from being rather reliably Republican before the 2000s to reliably Democratic in recent times. Trump has just made things even worse.
Sadly, I don't see the Republican party winning back Asian-American voters anytime soon. However, I've got the sense that Asians in WA are Democratic than Asians in California.
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2020, 10:15:00 PM »

WA still or used to have residual Asian-American voters that tend to vote republican. Those voters have largely abandoned the Republican party, I suspect further erosion with growing anti-Asian racism fueled by Trump's rhetoric. A similar pattern could be seen in Orange County, CA Vietnamese precincts as Vietnamese-American voters swing further to the Democrats.
Yeah, the GOP really messed up with Asian-American voters. They went from being rather reliably Republican before the 2000s to reliably Democratic in recent times. Trump has just made things even worse.
Sadly, I don't see the Republican party winning back Asian-American voters anytime soon. However, I've got the sense that Asians in WA are Democratic than Asians in California.

If the Republican Party stops being so overtly racist, they could possibly make some inroads with POC. But then they'd alienate a lot of their white voters...
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2020, 03:17:33 AM »


This makes not sense at all unless you were intending that reply for the Maryland poll.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2020, 12:24:05 PM »

WA still or used to have residual Asian-American voters that tend to vote republican. Those voters have largely abandoned the Republican party, I suspect further erosion with growing anti-Asian racism fueled by Trump's rhetoric. A similar pattern could be seen in Orange County, CA Vietnamese precincts as Vietnamese-American voters swing further to the Democrats.

Who were these voters, and where in the state did they live? I suspect most of the shift with Vietnamese-American voters is due to generational replacement as native-borns and 1.5gens come of age.


Yeah, the GOP really messed up with Asian-American voters. They went from being rather reliably Republican before the 2000s to reliably Democratic in recent times. Trump has just made things even worse.
Sadly, I don't see the Republican party winning back Asian-American voters anytime soon. However, I've got the sense that Asians in WA are Democratic than Asians in California.

Interesting, why do you think Asian voters in CA are more Republican?
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