Libertarian Presidential nomination (5/21-5/24)

[NYSforKennedy2024]

RIP Kokesh/McAfee.

RIP Dan Taxation Is Theft Behrman, as well.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Presidential debate tokens:

Jacob Hornberger 224

Jo Jorgensen 189

John Monds 113

Jim Gray 109

Vermin Supreme 100

VP debate tokens:

Larry Sharpe 335

Spike Cohen 247

Ken Armstrong 161

John McAfee 26

John Monds 24

Not sure why Monds is in both places. RIP Kokesh campaign?

Tokens were based on # of delegates.

From the looks of things, and having a subpar knowledge of how the LP ballots system works...it looks like it will be Hornberger or Jorgensen, with Gray and Monds delegates (and who they decide to go to) having the final say.

My money is on Jorgensen, and the LP nominating its first-ever female ticket. 

[NYSforKennedy2024]

I see none of these people doing better than Johnson/Weld.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

This is a mess.

Can't wait to see who wins it.

You're also probably going to see a few independent campaigns from this, because it doesn't seem like the process is being respected and treated like a real convention.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

I'm interested to see what the LP and Green Party put out for their tickets, they're going to get record low votes this election.

GP ticket is almost surely Howie Hawkins & Angela Nicole Walker, the running mate he already selected.

LP is either going to be Jacob Hornberger, Jo Jorgensen, Jim Gray & Larry Sharpe, or Vermin Supreme & Spike Cohen.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Night 1 ends in really dragged-out, tiring fashion; with some evident tension between the conventional and radical wings of the party. Expect some drama tomorrow.

Presidential voting begins at 10AM CST tomorrow, streamed on the LNC YouTube channel.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Slightly OT:

Does anybody have a clip or remember that Libertarian PRES Debate from ('12?) where one the candidates did this huge shtick about how somehow freedom is the "right to defend your marijuana plantations with machine guns"?

I might be slight misremembering the exact quote, but it was a noteworthy LBT debate.

It might have also been the same one, where the guy stripped down to his underwear onstage....

Anyways.... would love to see someone refresh my memory, since naturally LBT PRES debates are frequently extremely interesting, and again regret that I missed the 2020 Debate.    

Not a Mockinjay here, but rather I appreciate 3rd Parties trying to keep the Major Parties honest, while simultaneously, not getting the proper coverage for the two major political parties....

You're thinking of 2016, where the guy stripped on stage. The quote was from Austin Petersen, something along the lines of, "I want to watch my gay neighbors defend their marijuana plants with machine guns".

And here's a link to the debate you missed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KC6sTITu6E

[NYSforKennedy2024]

This is exhausting to watch.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

This is a mess.

Can't wait to see who wins it.

You're also probably going to see a few independent campaigns from this, because it doesn't seem like the process is being respected and treated like a real convention.

Good call. Behrman:

I did not make the ballot for the LP POTUS Nomination. I am changing my campaign affiliation to independent and will continue this race until the general election. I endorse Vermin Supreme for President for the Libertarian nomination as worthy opponents in the general election.

I was fully expecting it to be him.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

"We are violating social distancing!" - a Libertarian, 2020.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Arvin Vohra and Cynthia McKinney have endorsed Adam Kokesh, and Kim Ruff and Dan Taxation is Theft Berhman have endorsed Vermin Supreme.

Nomination speeches are finally happening.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Monds is a really moving, motivational person.

He'd kill it in the GOP/Dem. Party.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

It's looking like if Kokesh loses, his campaign will be endorsing Vermin.

Vermin might have a chance here...

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Kokesh endorses Sharpe for VP, stiffing McAfee.

P.S. Adam Back is Satoshi Nakamoto

I don't see him getting the nomination, but this is a really smart move and will definitely earn him some more delegates.

John McAfee's career (or lack thereof, he never really did anything except the debate in 2016) with the LP appears to end here.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Kokesh, Monds, or Supreme; or I'm voting for Trump.

Anyone else have any favorites?

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Dr. Mary Ruwart (noted medical conspiracy theorist) has endorsed Hornberger.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Hornberger endorses Spike Cohen for VP.

That's a strategic move to stop Vermin.

Hornberger being overly-offensive Hornberger as usual.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

The candidates' proposed tickets include:

Hornberger/Cohen
Supreme/Cohen
Gray/Sharpe
Kokesh/Sharpe
Jorgensen/???
Monds/???

[NYSforKennedy2024]

The Gov. Johnson endorsement breathes a little bit of hope into Gray's campaign.

This is going to be an interesting night.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

"...abolish this, that, everything..."

Well, no sh**t, Jim. Some Libertarians are AnCaps/Voluntaryists. It's almost as if you're actually just a Republican.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Is the nominee being decided today?

Presidential, yes. Expect 4+ ballots, however, so probably late into the night.

Vice Presidential, more than likely, tomorrow.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Oh damn, Judd Weiss.

Bringing back some 2016 LP vibes.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

TIL if Jorgensen wins, the GOP will be the final party of the Big 4 to never nominate a female for President.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

How do you guys see this going?

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme
Gray
Monds
Kokesh eliminated

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray
Monds eliminated

Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Hornberger
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray eliminated

Hornberger (Gray delegates)
Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)

I have Hornberger/Cohen or Jorgensen/Monds.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

How do you guys see this going?

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme
Gray
Monds
Kokesh eliminated

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray
Monds eliminated

Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Hornberger
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray eliminated

Hornberger (Gray delegates)
Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)

If Hornberger doesn't have the majority by then, Supreme endorses Jorgensen for the LP's first-ever female nominee.

I hesitate to predict ballot order but I think Jorgensen wins on round 3 or 4. I don't see Hornberger consolidating many delegates from others (or Supreme sadly besides Kokesh) and I think Gray will endorse Jorgensen. I will probably be proven wrong in 15 minutes.

Expecting Jorgensen/Sharpe or Jorgensen/Cohen

Gray endorsing Jorgensen over Hornberger...didn't think of it that way.

Jorgensen has a lot of underlooked crossover appeal between the pragmatic/radical wings of the party, and she'd do a great job of promoting unity between the Jim Gray Republican-lite types and the Kokesh/Supreme anarchist types.