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« Reply #100 on: May 23, 2020, 02:59:46 PM »
Quote from: Ferguson97 on May 23, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
Is the nominee being decided today?

Presidential, yes. Expect 4+ ballots, however, so probably late into the night.

Vice Presidential, more than likely, tomorrow.
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« Reply #101 on: May 23, 2020, 02:59:46 PM »
Quote from: Ferguson97 on May 23, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
Is the nominee being decided today?

More likely sometime late into the night if/when this (as expected) ends up having to go to 6 or 7 ballots, but yes.
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« Reply #102 on: May 23, 2020, 03:03:14 PM »
Quote from: stand on the shoulders of proud Newfoundlanders on May 23, 2020, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: Ferguson97 on May 23, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
If the Libertarian Party wants to ever be taken seriously, they cannot nominate Vermin Supreme.

If the Libertarian Party wanted to ever be taken seriously again they wouldn't have this sh!tty of a convention

I gave the streaming quality sh*t too, but to be fair to the LP itself, it's not like being forced to hold a virtual convention was really up to them.
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« Reply #103 on: May 23, 2020, 03:04:25 PM »
Oh damn, Judd Weiss.

Bringing back some 2016 LP vibes.
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« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2020, 03:13:36 PM »
Jorgensen surging on PredictIt, 77 cents yes. Sharpe leading for veep at 61 cents. Kinda stupid since they have Gray at 3 cents for prez but hey, the PredictIt brainiacs are above me.
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« Reply #105 on: May 23, 2020, 03:14:51 PM »
Quote from: W on May 23, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
Jorgensen surging on PredictIt, 77 cents yes. Sharpe leading for veep at 61 cents. Kinda stupid since they have Gray at 3 cents for prez but hey, the PredictIt brainiacs are above me.

Perhaps Jorgensen turns out to be the one non-Gray candidate that Sharpe would agree to serve as a running mate for?
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« Reply #106 on: May 23, 2020, 03:16:56 PM »
Vermin Supreme: "We are a young party."

Libertarian Party: *literally turning 50 next year*
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« Reply #107 on: May 23, 2020, 03:17:44 PM »
TIL if Jorgensen wins, the GOP will be the final party of the Big 4 to never nominate a female for President.
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« Reply #108 on: May 23, 2020, 03:20:37 PM »
« Edited: February 15, 2022, 03:32:45 PM by brucejoel99 »
Nominating speeches have now been completed. The first ballot will now be held, & Sarwark expects its completion by 4:50pm Eastern Time.
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« Reply #109 on: May 23, 2020, 03:23:55 PM »


Imagine the fate of your presidential run being dependant on a twitter poll. I voted so you don't have to, 85/15 towards him dropping out and running for Gov.
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« Reply #110 on: May 23, 2020, 03:32:45 PM »
How do you guys see this going?

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme
Gray
Monds
Kokesh eliminated

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray
Monds eliminated

Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Hornberger
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray eliminated

Hornberger (Gray delegates)
Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)

I have Hornberger/Cohen or Jorgensen/Monds.
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« Reply #111 on: May 23, 2020, 03:34:02 PM »
Hornberg/Gray ticket
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« Reply #112 on: May 23, 2020, 03:36:00 PM »
Quote from: Trump2020 on May 23, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
How do you guys see this going?

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme
Gray
Monds
Kokesh eliminated

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray
Monds eliminated

Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Hornberger
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray eliminated

Hornberger (Gray delegates)
Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)

If Hornberger doesn't have the majority by then, Supreme endorses Jorgensen for the LP's first-ever female nominee.

I hesitate to predict ballot order but I think Jorgensen wins on round 3 or 4. I don't see Hornberger consolidating many delegates from others (or Supreme sadly besides Kokesh) and I think Gray will endorse Jorgensen. I will probably be proven wrong in 15 minutes.

Expecting Jorgensen/Sharpe or Jorgensen/Cohen
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« Reply #113 on: May 23, 2020, 03:38:26 PM »
Quote from: W on May 23, 2020, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: Trump2020 on May 23, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
How do you guys see this going?

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme
Gray
Monds
Kokesh eliminated

Hornberger
Jorgensen
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray
Monds eliminated

Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Hornberger
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)
Gray eliminated

Hornberger (Gray delegates)
Jorgensen (Monds delegates)
Supreme (Kokesh delegates)

If Hornberger doesn't have the majority by then, Supreme endorses Jorgensen for the LP's first-ever female nominee.

I hesitate to predict ballot order but I think Jorgensen wins on round 3 or 4. I don't see Hornberger consolidating many delegates from others (or Supreme sadly besides Kokesh) and I think Gray will endorse Jorgensen. I will probably be proven wrong in 15 minutes.

Expecting Jorgensen/Sharpe or Jorgensen/Cohen

Gray endorsing Jorgensen over Hornberger...didn't think of it that way.

Jorgensen has a lot of underlooked crossover appeal between the pragmatic/radical wings of the party, and she'd do a great job of promoting unity between the Jim Gray Republican-lite types and the Kokesh/Supreme anarchist types.
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« Reply #114 on: May 23, 2020, 03:48:01 PM »
First ballot totals before we move on

CandidateFirst BallotPercentage
Jacob Hornberger21824.8%
Jo Jorgensen19321.96%
Vermin Supreme10311.72%
John Monds9510.81%
James Gray8910.13%
Adam Kokesh586.6%
Justin Amash273.07%
Arvin Vohra273.07%
Dan Behrman182.05%
Sam Robb141.59%
Kim Ruff111.25%
Sorinne Ardeleneau91.02%
Spike Cohen70.8%
Nicholas Sarwark60.68%
Larry Sharpe40.46%
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« Reply #115 on: May 23, 2020, 03:54:36 PM »
Someone who understands the Libertarian Party, why is Hornberger so divisive internally?
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« Reply #116 on: May 23, 2020, 03:55:06 PM »

Hornberger ~280
Jorgensen ~240
Monds ~140
Gray ~135
Supreme ~130
Kokesh ~70
Scattered ~50

Hornberger ~280
Jorgensen ~260
Gray ~165
Supreme ~155
Monds ~140

Hornberger ~330
Jorgensen ~325
Gray ~180
Supreme ~170

Jorgensen ~425
Hornberger ~365
Gray ~225

Jorgensen ~625
Hornberger ~390
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« Reply #117 on: May 23, 2020, 03:57:33 PM »
"Were my votes counted?" - Starchild

"Unlikely." - Nick Sarwark
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« Reply #118 on: May 23, 2020, 03:58:51 PM »
Quote from: W on May 23, 2020, 03:48:01 PM
First ballot totals before we move on

Not the first ballot. IIRC these were the token totals with regards to which candidates could be validly entered into nomination.

Quote from: Senator tack50 (Lab-Lincoln) on May 23, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
Someone who understands the Libertarian Party, why is Hornberger so divisive internally?

Constant & ridiculous mudslinging & attacks toward the other candidates.
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« Reply #119 on: May 23, 2020, 03:59:55 PM »
Quote from: Senator tack50 (Lab-Lincoln) on May 23, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
Someone who understands the Libertarian Party, why is Hornberger so divisive internally?

He's always attacking everybody for not being enough of his type of Libertarian. He published a series of articles attacking Justin Amash when Amash joined the LP, for example. He also used to attack Harry Browne a lot when he was our guy, which is a big reason he doesn't mesh with Jorgensen (Browne's running mate once) even though their platforms are very similar.
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« Reply #120 on: May 23, 2020, 04:00:28 PM »
« Edited: May 23, 2020, 04:03:40 PM by Trump2020 »
Quote from: beaver2.0 on May 23, 2020, 03:57:33 PM
"Were my votes counted?" - Starchild

"Unlikely." - Nick Sarwark

Well not if you file them incorrectly, stupid! They said so many times that any kind of vote is to be done through ElectionBuddy, not email, lmao.
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« Reply #121 on: May 23, 2020, 04:03:49 PM »
« Edited: May 23, 2020, 04:07:28 PM by Ses »
these people are such boomers
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« Reply #122 on: May 23, 2020, 04:05:11 PM »
Jorgensen's speech was not good. I can see myself in another self-hating Dane but when Hornberger of all people is more concise and you're talking about how your family didn't flee Soviet oppression rather... social democracy is a bit of an odd look. AK-47 line was funny tho.
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« Reply #123 on: May 23, 2020, 04:05:24 PM »
If you think this is fun to watch, this is just Round 1...
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« Reply #124 on: May 23, 2020, 04:09:09 PM »
Gray has sunk to 5th in PredictIt. Below Monds. If his campaign is known for anything it'll probably be for getting Sharpe to consider being on the slate.
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