Biden's campaign strongest since Obama 08?

[Grassroots]

The way Biden has been running his campaign is surprisingly optimal, it may just be because of how weak Trump is, but it looks like Biden himself has been propelled by a large amount of enthusiasm and positive momentum. I haven't seen this momentum in campaigns this decade.

[DabbingSanta]

Yes, I've seen a lot more enthusiasm for Biden than I did at any point for Hillary. Last time around, the liberal base thought she was a safe win, with certain forecasts giving her 99% odds of winning, and a lot of younger people and far left folks felt cheated by the DNC. Assuming she would win, they voted third party or stayed home. I get the impression that's not going to happen this time around. I've also noticed Biden appears to be doing much better with older voters and moderate "swing" voters, two key demographics heading in to election day.

[It’s so Joever]

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Yeah, but he is still lacking a strong digital campaign.

[wbrocks67]

Yeah, but he is still lacking a strong digital campaign.

I don't know if that's particularly true. Sure, he doesn't have a $1 billion fake news Facebook operation like Trump does, but I'm always surprised at how many views Biden's online videos rack up and even how many tweets and likes he gets, especially consider he wasn't "the Twitter candidate." A lot of his tweets have been doing VERY well, far better than I remember Hillary's tweets doing. It's a small thing, maybe, but some of his things have been getting good reach. His Twitter videos tend to go viral too, with millions of views.

They have a ways to go, but I don't think they're in a terrible position

[Alben Barkley]

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

"Yes We Can" -- while not a successful slogan by its candidate -- remains one of my favorites just because it's short, it's sweet, and it lends itself to chants at rallies. 

[It’s so Joever]

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

Socialism bad.
Massachusetts man good.

[Blair]

The Obama 2012 campaign should be studied more as a stronger campaign than 08 one because it showed how an unpopular incumbent faced with a weak economy can win by A.) Ruthelessly attacking & defining the oppontent B.) Having 3-4 bright buttons to give to your key voters.

[wbrocks67]

Also, judging the fact that Trump's campaign is resorting to alleging Biden is a literal pedophile, I'd say Biden's campaign is doing a lot better than conventional wisdom would suggest.

[Dr. Arch]

No malarkey is life.

[ajc0918]

What is strong about his campaign? I'm just curious

Obviously his polling is good and his digital ads have been great but what else?

[Orwell]

What is strong about his campaign? I'm just curious

Obviously his polling is good and his digital ads have been great but what else?

His ad game is on point

[roxas11]

I always felt like Obama 2012 campaign was way more impressive to me than his first.  

In 2008 Obama had the wind at his back and everything was going in his direction by the time most Americans voted on election day. Im not saying that it was not an amazing victory but I truly believe any Dem could have won that year.

Now 2012 is different and I think that any other Dem besides Obama would have lost that election. in 2012 Americans had at that point spent years dealing with a painfully slow recovery.
obama was now facing Americans who where understandably upset at the pace of the recovery and he was also dealing with a Republican party who was wiling to do whatever it took to get him out of there.

After all Mitch McConnell famously said this 2 years before the election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU

They even tried to blame him for the overall recession and pretended that it started under him instead of bush yet despite all of that and 1 poor first debate by Obama

He defied all the laws of political gravity by being the first president since FDR to get reelected when unemployment was over 7.7 percent. Biden campaign is so far stronger than Hillary's but I don't think think it tops 2012.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

"Yes We Can" -- while not a successful slogan by its candidate -- remains one of my favorites just because it's short, it's sweet, and it lends itself to chants at rallies.  

Hope and Change was another epic Obama 08 slogan. Axelrod and Plouffe were superstars as well.

[cris01us]

I'm not saying that it was not an amazing victory but I truly believe any Dem could have won that year.

Yes! The Democratic Party good have rolled out  "Insert bad person's name here" (literally anyone) and won that year.  The hatred for all things GOP in 2008 was palatable, maybe not by today's standards, but generally things were seen as pretty divisive by 2008 standards.   

[Orwell]

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

"Yes We Can" -- while not a successful slogan by its candidate -- remains one of my favorites just because it's short, it's sweet, and it lends itself to chants at rallies.  

Hope and Change was another epic Obama 08 slogan. Axelrod and Plouffe were superstars as well.

I've been listening to the audiobook of Gamechange which recounted the campaign of 2008 from Hillary's 2004 almost run to election day 2008. Without Plouffe and Axelrod I think there is a very good chance that Obama loses.

The book says that Obama's campaign wasn't necessarily super well run but HRC and McCain ran some terrible campaigns.

[Tartarus Sauce]

His campaign is decent.

More importantly, the Trump campaign is doing very poorly. For starters, Trump lives for campaigning, his whole presidency has arguably been done in campaign mode the entire time. Unfortunately for him, it's really hard to engage campaign mode while the country is dealing with a pandemic. Almost all of the attention is on the administration's handling of the crisis, which, like everything, has been extremely polarizing. Which is why it's really dumb that they've been expending so much of their material trying to define their opponent during a period of time when people aren't paying attention. It's a big reason why nothing Trump has thrown out at Biden has stuck, and why he seems to be resorting to increasingly desperate moves to shift the conversation, like whatever this whole "Obamagate" thing is supposed to be.

Trump and his surrogates seem way too hopped up on their own hype, believing that the 2016 playbook will work just as well for 2020 and not adjusting to new realities. His campaign is way too focused on throwing red-meat to the base and isn't expanding its strategy beyond that. For all the talk during the primary about how Democrats needed to do more than just remind voters that Trump is bad if they wanted to win, you would think that more people would acknowledge that Trump's campaign needs to learn how to play outside its own sandbox if it wants to succeed. Instead, they seem content on getting high sniffing their own farts.

[Alben Barkley]

In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

"Yes We Can" -- while not a successful slogan by its candidate -- remains one of my favorites just because it's short, it's sweet, and it lends itself to chants at rallies.  

Hope and Change was another epic Obama 08 slogan. Axelrod and Plouffe were superstars as well.

I've been listening to the audiobook of Gamechange which recounted the campaign of 2008 from Hillary's 2004 almost run to election day 2008. Without Plouffe and Axelrod I think there is a very good chance that Obama loses.

The book says that Obama's campaign wasn't necessarily super well run but HRC and McCain ran some terrible campaigns.

The political winds were blowing too strong against the GOP that year for a Democrat to lose regardless of the quality of the campaigns. Maybe if Obama’s wasn’t as good, he wouldn’t have won IN or NC or a couple of other states. But he still would have won. Bush was historically, extremely unpopular. People were sick of him and Iraq, and that was before the economic crisis. That was just the final nail in the coffin.

[Alben Barkley]

I always felt like Obama 2012 campaign was way more impressive to me than his first.  

In 2008 Obama had the wind at his back and everything was going in his direction by the time most Americans voted on election day. Im not saying that it was not an amazing victory but I truly believe any Dem could have won that year.

Now 2012 is different and I think that any other Dem besides Obama would have lost that election. in 2012 Americans had at that point spent years dealing with a painfully slow recovery.
obama was now facing Americans who where understandably upset at the pace of the recovery and he was also dealing with a Republican party who was wiling to do whatever it took to get him out of there.

After all Mitch McConnell famously said this 2 years before the election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU

They even tried to blame him for the overall recession and pretended that it started under him instead of bush yet despite all of that and 1 poor first debate by Obama

He defied all the laws of political gravity by being the first president since FDR to get reelected when unemployment was over 7.7 percent. Biden campaign is so far stronger than Hillary's but I don't think think it tops 2012.

Well I think like FDR, people realized that things had gotten really bad and would take some time to fully recover. And they had at least begun to recover under Obama, so he got credit for that. Not as much as FDR did in 1936, clearly, but between both cases it’s clear that having a bad economy is not a death sentence for an incumbent IF the public does not think he is responsible and if they see at least some improvement. Both Obama and FDR were elected to clean up a huge mess left behind by their Republican predecessor, after all, and the public gave them credit for making some progress and not making things worse at least.

I actually think if Hillary was the incumbent, she might have won for much the same reason, assuming her recovery efforts were at least as effective as Obama’s and assuming her 2008 victory was at least as big as Obama’s. Plus Romney was just not a great candidate. He was easy to portray as an out-of-touch rich stiff, and didn’t do himself any favors there with gaffes like the 10,000 dollar bet and the 47% comment. And his campaign was just boring and ineffective. Nobody here can even remember what his slogan was apparently.

[SN2903]

Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

[Orser67]

I don't think his campaign is anything special; I think he's just a decent, frequently underestimated candidate running against a flawed incumbent.

[Orwell]

Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

[SN2903]

Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

Dude. People aren't focused on politics yet. Wait till Aug and Sept and wait till the economy starts coming back this summer. By the RNC Trump will have a slight lead. Trust me.

[roxas11]

Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

Dude. People aren't focused on politics yet. Wait till Aug and Sept and wait till the economy starts coming back this summer. By the RNC Trump will have a slight lead. Trust me.

Trumps own Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell just said yesterday that he thinks the US economy will not recover until late 2021.....