Most segregationist voting patterns

[Chester County Anti-populist]

What would be the most segregationist voting pattern from 1944-1968?

Here is what I think

Texas regulars/unpledged south carolina-1944
Thurmond-1948
?-1952
Unpledged/T Coleman Andrews/Harry Byrd-1956
Unpledged-1960
Unpledged-1964
Wallace-1968

Clearly a lot of unpledged here. What do you think?

[Don Vito Corleone]

Your best bet is a white from the Black Belt scared of Civil Rights.

[Former President tack50]

My guess would be:

1944: Texas Regulars / unpledged (if neither on ballot, FDR)
1948: Thurmond
1952: Stevenson
1956: Unpledged / Coleman Andrews (if neither on ballot, Stevenson)
1960: Unpledged / Fauvus (if neither on ballot, Nixon)
1964: Goldwater
1968: Wallace

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

Most of the people who backed the unpledged line in 1956 were Eisenhower voters in 1952. You can see this with regards to the collapse of the Ike vote in MS and SC.

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

Also it’s impossible to have this voting record assuming the voter didn’t change states. The unpledged line was on the ballot in only Texas and South Carolina in 1944, but in 1960 the unpledged line was on the ballot in neither.

[Chester County Anti-populist]

My guess would be:

1944: Texas Regulars / unpledged (if neither on ballot, FDR)
1948: Thurmond
1952: Stevenson
1956: Unpledged / Coleman Andrews (if neither on ballot, Stevenson)
1960: Unpledged / Fauvus (if neither on ballot, Nixon)
1964: Goldwater
1968: Wallace

This, but in Alabama 1964 wouldn't it be unpledged?

And in 1952 it really is hard to say since there were many segregationists who backed eisenhower while at the same time Stevenson had Sparkman for VP.

[Orser67]

I think a hardcore segregationist living in Alabama would have voted this way:

1948: Thurmond
1952: Not sure if Eisenhower or Stevenson
1956: T. Coleman Andrews
1960: Unpledged electors
1964: Unpledged electors or Goldwater
1968: Wallace
1972: John G. Schmitz
1976: Lester Maddox
1980: John Rarick
1984: Bob Richards

[TDAS04]

Um, why don’t you have Goldwater for 1964?

[Left Wing]

I think a hardcore segregationist living in Alabama would have voted this way:

1948: Thurmond
1952: Not sure if Eisenhower or Stevenson
1956: T. Coleman Andrews
1960: Unpledged electors
1964: Unpledged electors or Goldwater
1968: Wallace
1972: John G. Schmitz
1976: Lester Maddox
1980: John Rarick
1984: Bob Richards

After that i would assume(if they were still alive):
1988-David Duke
1992-Howard Phillips
1996-Howard Phillips
2000-Howard Phillips
2004-Michael Peroutka
2008-Chuck Baldwin
2012-Write-in
2016-Write-in or Trump
2020-Don Blankenship

[Chester County Anti-populist]

Um, why don’t you have Goldwater for 1964?

Because of the unpledged electors in Alabama. If they won they would have almost certainly voted for Wallace.

[TDAS04]

Um, why don’t you have Goldwater for 1964?

Because of the unpledged electors in Alabama. If they won they would have almost certainly voted for Wallace.

Most of the votes for unpledged came form more Appalachian northern Alabama, which was less staunchly segregationist than the Black Belt.  Black voters (the few who could vote) also did not vote for Goldwater.

[Orser67]

I think a hardcore segregationist living in Alabama would have voted this way:

1948: Thurmond
1952: Not sure if Eisenhower or Stevenson
1956: T. Coleman Andrews
1960: Unpledged electors
1964: Unpledged electors or Goldwater
1968: Wallace
1972: John G. Schmitz
1976: Lester Maddox
1980: John Rarick
1984: Bob Richards

After that i would assume(if they were still alive):
1988-David Duke
1992-Howard Phillips
1996-Howard Phillips
2000-Howard Phillips
2004-Michael Peroutka
2008-Chuck Baldwin
2012-Write-in
2016-Write-in or Trump
2020-Don Blankenship

Interestingly, Alabama doesn't seem to have give any votes to Duke. If we switch to MS, though, I think hard-core segregationists would vote:

1948: Thurmond
1952: Not sure if Eisenhower or Stevenson
1956: T. Coleman Andrews
1960: Unpledged electors (Harry Byrd)
1964: Goldwater
1968: Wallace
1972: John G. Schmitz
1976: Lester Maddox
1980: John Rarick
1984: Bob Richards
1988: Duke
1992: Bo Gritz

I'm not sure to what extent former segregationists would have filed into the Constitution Party, and I'd be curious if anyone had any insight into the matter. But I think that the above would be the "most segregationist" possible voting pattern, unless someone lived in TX in 1944 (and voted for the Texas Regulars movement) and moved to MS prior to 1948.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Um, why don’t you have Goldwater for 1964?

Because of the unpledged electors in Alabama. If they won they would have almost certainly voted for Wallace.

Most of the votes for unpledged came form more Appalachian northern Alabama, which was less staunchly segregationist than the Black Belt.  Black voters (the few who could vote) also did not vote for Goldwater.

Thus Macon Co, with uniquely high black voter participation, being the best in Alabama for the unpledged slate.https://twitter.com/Millenarian22/status/1281388760265920513?s=20

[Escape Pod Zero]

So voting for a slate of segregationists was the anti segregationist postition?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

So voting for a slate of segregationists was the anti segregationist postition?

Sort of.  The Wallace backed slate was a "not Goldwater" vote.  Kind of like how Kevin de Leon was a "not Feinstein" vote in the CA 2018 Senate, and so his best counties were mostly those that normally vote Republican.

[Escape Pod Zero]

So voting for a slate of segregationists was the anti segregationist postition?

Sort of.  The Wallace backed slate was a "not Goldwater" vote.  Kind of like how Kevin de Leon was a "not Feinstein" vote in the CA 2018 Senate, and so his best counties were mostly those that normally vote Republican.

Still that doesn't change that the AL dems were full on segregationists and the Kevin de Leon was more left wing than Feinstein.

[Sumner 1868]

1948: Strom Thurmond
1952: Douglas MacArthur
1956: Unpledged Electors
1960: Unpledged Electors
1964: write-in George Lincoln Rockwell
1968: George Wallace
1972: John Schmitz

Something like that.

[MATTROSE94]

Here's mine going back to 1920:
1920: William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic write-in)
1924: William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic write-in)
1928: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1932: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1936: Ellison Smith (Democratic write-in)
1940: Theodore Bilbo (Democratic write-in)
1944: Theodore Bilbo (Democratic write-in)
1948: Strom Thurmond (Dixiecrat)
1952: Douglas MacArthur (Republican write-in)
1956: T. Coleman Andrews (States Rights)
1960: Orval Faubus (States Rights)
1964: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1968: George Wallace (American Independent)
1972: John G. Schmitz (American Independent)
1976: Lester Maddox (American Independent)
1980: John Rarick (American Independent)
1984: Bob Richards (Populist Party)
1988: David Duke (Populist Party)
1992: Bo Gritz (Populist Party)
1996: Pat Buchanan (Republican write-in)
2000: Pat Buchanan (Reform)
2004: Michael Peroutka (Constitution)
2008: Chuck Baldwin (Constitution)
2012: Virgil Goode (Constitution)
2016: Donald Trump (Republican)
2020: Donald Trump (Republican)

[RINO Tom]

^ LOL

[Calthrina950]

So voting for a slate of segregationists was the anti segregationist postition?

Sort of.  The Wallace backed slate was a "not Goldwater" vote.  Kind of like how Kevin de Leon was a "not Feinstein" vote in the CA 2018 Senate, and so his best counties were mostly those that normally vote Republican.

Still that doesn't change that the AL dems were full on segregationists and the Kevin de Leon was more left wing than Feinstein.

Anti-Goldwater and pro-Johnson voters in Alabama didn't have any other choice, aside from abstaining or leaving their ballot blank. However, you are correct when you say that the Unpledged slate, which was set up by Wallace, would almost certainly have voted for him or another segregationist Democrat (like Harry Byrd, who garnered a majority of Alabama's electors in 1960). It is also true that many of those who voted against Goldwater did so because of his positions on the TVA, Social Security, and other New Deal/Great Society programs, not because of his opposition to civil rights.

Goldwater lost several counties in Northern Alabama that were strongly supportive of these programs and were of a populist bent. Macon County's vote against Goldwater, however, was clearly because of civil rights, as it was almost the only place in Alabama where black voters were enfranchised to any appreciable extent before the VRA in 1965. If Johnson had actually been on the ballot in Alabama, he probably would have gotten the same vote that the Unpledged Electors did, for these reasons.

[Left Wing]

2000: Pat Buchanan (Reform)

I doubt a segregationist would vote for a black woman for VP.

[MATTROSE94]

2000: Pat Buchanan (Reform)

I doubt a segregationist would vote for a black woman for VP.

They might have been willing to look past that due to Pat Buchanan's racially-charged rhetoric and policy positions. If not, then Howard Phillips would have been their second choice.

[darklordoftech]

Definitely for the Democratic nominee in 1868-1924.

[MATTROSE94]

Definitely for the Democratic nominee in 1868-1924.

Probably more like 1868-1916. I don’t know too much about James Cox, but he didn’t seem to be as racist as prior Democratic nominees. Also, John Davis in 1924 did speak out against the KKK on the campaign trail and openly campaigned for African-American support. Honestly, a hardline segregationist would have likely wrote in William Gibbs McAdoo in 1920 and 1924 at least in my opinion. They would have definitely voted for Herbert Hoover in 1928 and 1932 however.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Why in the hell should a segregationist have voted for Herbert Hoover? Especially in 1932, when the economy was in shambles and Hoover was still the man whose First Lady had invited Oscar Stanton DePriest's wife to the White House tea?
Also, in 1928 the people who bolted to Hoover were those in the Appalachians and in other marginal parts of the South, not the most ardent segregationists in the Black Belt.