This Once Great Movement Of Ours

[Coldstream]

It’ll be interesting to see how hard Tarry fights re-selection. He may recognise he’s done for and carpet bag away early.

[CumbrianLefty]

Giles Radice, MP for Chester-le-Street and then North Durham from 1973 until 2001 and for many years one of the most influential intellectuals on the right-wing of the Labour Party, has died. He was eighty five and had recently resigned from the House of Lords (to which he was appointed after he retired from the Commons).

His late 1980s book on the future for Labour (an actual book, not his better known pamphlet about "Southern Discomfort" after the 1992 GE) was apparently widely read by those who would later get the New Labour label - it notably called for the rewriting of Clause 4.

[JimJamUK]

Judging by the comments a lot of people are only just discovering the ‘Never kissed a Tory’ shirt. The response is a mix of people saying she’s far left/unelectable or people looking to be offended.

https://twitter.com/lucympowell/status/1563470492522098688?s=21&t=BqIs5YWGNq...

[CumbrianLefty]

Predictably pathetic pearl clutching as a result - at least Tories have reason to not be thrilled by it, but far worse are the centrist "civility" merchants who as ever only do "tone" and not substance.

[Coldstream]

Judging by the comments a lot of people are only just discovering the ‘Never kissed a Tory’ shirt. The response is a mix of people saying she’s far left/unelectable or people looking to be offended.

https://twitter.com/lucympowell/status/1563470492522098688?s=21&t=BqIs5YWGNq...

If you don’t cringe a little but wear the shirt/sticker anyway, you can’t call yourself a Labour activist. I’ve got two stickers on my wall.

[Blair]

Highlight was the Times calling it a Corbyn era slogan- I remember this exact argument in 2011!

[Cassius]

How do they know they’ve never kissed a Tory 👀

[Coldstream]

NEC ballot closes today. It’s the first indication of the strength of the Corbynites since 2020. The fact they’ve not managed to trigger any MPs, and have had 3 SCG MPs triggered suggests they are at a low ebb. But every members vote counts equally in an NEC election, not just those in held seats and it requires a lot less effort to vote in an NEC ballot than to actually go out to vote in a trigger ballot.

My prediction is 4 L2W, 4 Momentum and then Ann Black as the 9 elected CLP delegates. Whilst L2W are likely to win a landslide in the NPF elections due to first past the post & a meek opposition.

The NEC could even go 5-3-1: in contrast to 16, 18 & 20 the CLGA/Momentum campaign has been pretty muted and low profile.

[Blair]

NEC ballot closes today. It’s the first indication of the strength of the Corbynites since 2020. The fact they’ve not managed to trigger any MPs, and have had 3 SCG MPs triggered suggests they are at a low ebb. But every members vote counts equally in an NEC election, not just those in held seats and it requires a lot less effort to vote in an NEC ballot than to actually go out to vote in a trigger ballot.

My prediction is 4 L2W, 4 Momentum and then Ann Black as the 9 elected CLP delegates. Whilst L2W are likely to win a landslide in the NPF elections due to first past the post & a meek opposition.

The NEC could even go 5-3-1: in contrast to 16, 18 & 20 the CLGA/Momentum campaign has been pretty muted and low profile.

Who is no.3? Tarry, Sultana and Byrne (?)

It has been very dull- even the split on the left over whether its a slate of 4 or 5 hasn’t really triggered much anger.

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

How do they know they’ve never kissed a Tory 👀

Can't speak for Lucy Powell, but if you're in your early 20s at the moment, there aren't that many Tories in the set of people you probably want to be kissing, and most of the remaining ones are desperate to tell you all about their politics.

[Coldstream]

NEC ballot closes today. It’s the first indication of the strength of the Corbynites since 2020. The fact they’ve not managed to trigger any MPs, and have had 3 SCG MPs triggered suggests they are at a low ebb. But every members vote counts equally in an NEC election, not just those in held seats and it requires a lot less effort to vote in an NEC ballot than to actually go out to vote in a trigger ballot.

My prediction is 4 L2W, 4 Momentum and then Ann Black as the 9 elected CLP delegates. Whilst L2W are likely to win a landslide in the NPF elections due to first past the post & a meek opposition.

The NEC could even go 5-3-1: in contrast to 16, 18 & 20 the CLGA/Momentum campaign has been pretty muted and low profile.

Who is no.3? Tarry, Sultana and Byrne (?)

It has been very dull- even the split on the left over whether its a slate of 4 or 5 hasn’t really triggered much anger.

Sultana hasn’t been, Apsana Begum has.

[Blair]

Oh yes Begums was so long ago I forgot

[afleitch]

How do they know they’ve never kissed a Tory 👀

Can't speak for Lucy Powell, but if you're in your early 20s at the moment, there aren't that many Tories in the set of people you probably want to be kissing, and most of the remaining ones are desperate to tell you all about their politics.

Labour used those t-shirts well over a decade ago. I remember them at the last pride I was at as an LGBTory rep.

I don't think Labour wear them much in Scotland now as they aren't only kissing Tories but effectively bottoming for them.

[CumbrianLefty]

How do they know they’ve never kissed a Tory 👀

Yeah but "never knowingly kissed" is both harder to fit on a t-shirt and less snowflake triggering

[Conservatopia]

I just realised that I've never knowingly kissed a Tory either. Corbynites on the other hand...

Funny how things work out.

[Blair]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Carwyn Jones holds the Welsh seat, and Elsie Greenwood wins the youth rep seat.

So I think overall that’s a change of +2 for the pro Keir slate.

Ironically the most high profile momentum member of the NEC, Nish Rahman, lost re-election. The mailing list gives and it takes…

[Coldstream]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Carwyn Jones holds the Welsh seat, and Elsie Greenwood wins the youth rep seat.

So I think overall that’s a change of +2 for the pro Keir slate.

Ironically the most high profile momentum member of the NEC, Nish Rahman, lost re-election. The mailing list gives and it takes…

A bit more slate discipline from L2W and they could have got all 5. Akehurst got nearly 5x as many votes as the other candidates despite efforts to balance it out (to be fair led by him). Shows the increasing irrelevance of Momentum that Wimborne-Idrissi got elected without them.

[Coldstream]

On trigger ballot news, Sultana won her first branch meeting. Given that she only needs 2 it looks unlikely that she’ll be triggered..

[JimJamUK]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Previously suspended member of Jewish Voice for Labour, Momentum withdraw her from their slate earlier this year. Even by the standards of the Labour NEC, she’s pretty bad.

[Coldstream]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Previously suspended member of Jewish Voice for Labour, Momentum withdraw her from their slate earlier this year. Even by the standards of the Labour NEC, she’s pretty bad.

She’ll be out by the time the next elections role around, there’s no way she won’t back Corbyn as an independent in Islington.

[cp]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Previously suspended member of Jewish Voice for Labour, Momentum withdraw her from their slate earlier this year. Even by the standards of the Labour NEC, she’s pretty bad.

She’ll be out by the time the next elections role around, there’s no way she won’t back Corbyn as an independent in Islington.

Whether or not she does, the reaction from the usual dismal suspects points to the likelihood of Keir suspending/expelling her before she can even take her place on the NEC.

[Coldstream]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Previously suspended member of Jewish Voice for Labour, Momentum withdraw her from their slate earlier this year. Even by the standards of the Labour NEC, she’s pretty bad.

She’ll be out by the time the next elections role around, there’s no way she won’t back Corbyn as an independent in Islington.

Whether or not she does, the reaction from the usual dismal suspects points to the likelihood of Keir suspending/expelling her before she can even take her place on the NEC.

She’ll be much happier in TUSC or Chris Williamsons new party. And so would her supporters & opponents.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

On the one hand proportional representation is an excellent idea for the NEC elections as it makes it much harder for any individual factional grouping to dominate the body overall, which is clearly a good thing from an equalities perspective.* On the other, there's a downside to everything and in this case it is that it is easier for motivated cranks with a large mailing list to squeak a candidate through than it would have been before.

_{*E.g. while the present leadership has a secure majority on the NEC, this is a majority made up of lots of different factional groupings that happen to presently align, at least most of the time.}

[CumbrianLefty]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Previously suspended member of Jewish Voice for Labour, Momentum withdraw her from their slate earlier this year. Even by the standards of the Labour NEC, she’s pretty bad.

She’ll be out by the time the next elections role around, there’s no way she won’t back Corbyn as an independent in Islington.

Pretty good odds she will embarrass herself somehow even before that (cf Shawcroft and Willsman)

Part of the problem is that she was able to get away with using a mostly bland "generic left" election address and evaded much scrutiny of her more outlandish positions.

[Coldstream]

NEC results out.

In the CLP section 4 to LTW, 3 to Momentum, 1 for CLPD and 1 Anne Black.

Previously suspended member of Jewish Voice for Labour, Momentum withdraw her from their slate earlier this year. Even by the standards of the Labour NEC, she’s pretty bad.

She’ll be out by the time the next elections role around, there’s no way she won’t back Corbyn as an independent in Islington.

Pretty good odds she will embarrass herself somehow even before that (cf Shawcroft and Willsman)

Part of the problem is that she was able to get away with using a mostly bland "generic left" election address and evaded much scrutiny of her more outlandish positions.

Certainly likely when Shawcroft & Willsman are positively competent compared to her - they had decades of activism/organising at the top of the party behind them - it was just their general lunacy that brought them down. Wimborne-Idrissi is an amateur by comparison.