This Once Great Movement Of Ours

[CumbrianLefty]

He was indeed.

[Coldstream]

Wasn't Tarry a councillor there for a time or am I misremembering?

He was, most famous for living in Brighton whilst doing so.

[CumbrianLefty]

https://twitter.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1552757581264945152?s=21&t=u2VkdvQoN...

Hopefully she loses to the Tories.

I really wouldn't suggest such a thing even in jest.

(and to avoid any doubt, I would be delighted to see her exit politics)

[Blair]

Cruddas did announce his retirement at a v late stage.

Tarry is lucky the council leader is going for Barking- Rodwell is very popular.

[Coldstream]

Cruddas did announce his retirement at a v late stage.

Tarry is lucky the council leader is going for Barking- Rodwell is very popular.

Barking is a bunfight, Ibrahim Dogus (big donor, West Brom candidate in 2019) is also going for it - and I’ve heard of at least two ex-MP’s sniffing around. He may decide Dagenham is an easier selection to win even if the general election is harder (though I’d agree it’s unlikely).

[MaxQue]

Cruddas did announce his retirement at a v late stage.

Tarry is lucky the council leader is going for Barking- Rodwell is very popular.

Barking is a bunfight, Ibrahim Dogus (big donor, West Brom candidate in 2019) is also going for it - and I’ve heard of at least two ex-MP’s sniffing around. He may decide Dagenham is an easier selection to win even if the general election is harder (though I’d agree it’s unlikely).

The main problem for the council leader in Dagenham is Cruddas himself, who made it very clear he heavily dislikes him (and also those members who are in Havering wards).

[YL]

https://twitter.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1552757581264945152?s=21&t=u2VkdvQoN...

Hopefully she loses to the Tories.

I think the chances of whoever the Tories select in Canterbury being noticeably better than Duffield on trans issues are pretty minuscule, though at least they're higher than the chances of them being better than Duffield on other matters.

NB that's a seat where the boundary changes could make it harder for Labour to win.  The initial proposals don't make much difference, but IIRC there were alternatives put forward which would.

[Coldstream]

Cruddas did announce his retirement at a v late stage.

Tarry is lucky the council leader is going for Barking- Rodwell is very popular.

Barking is a bunfight, Ibrahim Dogus (big donor, West Brom candidate in 2019) is also going for it - and I’ve heard of at least two ex-MP’s sniffing around. He may decide Dagenham is an easier selection to win even if the general election is harder (though I’d agree it’s unlikely).

The main problem for the council leader in Dagenham is Cruddas himself, who made it very clear he heavily dislikes him (and also those members who are in Havering wards).

It’s a good point, but I have to wonder how much the average member (even in his constituency) cares what Jon Cruddas thinks? I’ve always found him insufferable and out of touch.

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

Cruddas did announce his retirement at a v late stage.

Tarry is lucky the council leader is going for Barking- Rodwell is very popular.

Barking is a bunfight, Ibrahim Dogus (big donor, West Brom candidate in 2019) is also going for it - and I’ve heard of at least two ex-MP’s sniffing around. He may decide Dagenham is an easier selection to win even if the general election is harder (though I’d agree it’s unlikely).

Reminder that Dogus lost WBE in 2019 because the news broke that he'd been investigated for money laundering...

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

Cruddas did announce his retirement at a v late stage.

Tarry is lucky the council leader is going for Barking- Rodwell is very popular.

Barking is a bunfight, Ibrahim Dogus (big donor, West Brom candidate in 2019) is also going for it - and I’ve heard of at least two ex-MP’s sniffing around. He may decide Dagenham is an easier selection to win even if the general election is harder (though I’d agree it’s unlikely).

The main problem for the council leader in Dagenham is Cruddas himself, who made it very clear he heavily dislikes him (and also those members who are in Havering wards).

It’s a good point, but I have to wonder how much the average member (even in his constituency) cares what Jon Cruddas thinks? I’ve always found him insufferable and out of touch.

My understanding is that he's always been very popular with his CLP.

[Blair]

Even for THIGMOO standards this is hilarious and messy. Worth reading in full!

https://labourlist.org/2022/05/exclusive-labour-on-target-to-lose-dagenham-and-rainham-cruddas-warns/

[Blair]

Cruddas did announce his retirement at a v late stage.

Tarry is lucky the council leader is going for Barking- Rodwell is very popular.

Barking is a bunfight, Ibrahim Dogus (big donor, West Brom candidate in 2019) is also going for it - and I’ve heard of at least two ex-MP’s sniffing around. He may decide Dagenham is an easier selection to win even if the general election is harder (though I’d agree it’s unlikely).

The main problem for the council leader in Dagenham is Cruddas himself, who made it very clear he heavily dislikes him (and also those members who are in Havering wards).

It’s a good point, but I have to wonder how much the average member (even in his constituency) cares what Jon Cruddas thinks? I’ve always found him insufferable and out of touch.

My limited experience is he’s a marmite type- very smart and talented, but equally has that tendency of some in THIGMOO to look arrogant because of his own intelligence.

The fact he won the first round in 2007 speaks a lot to his skill and we don’t really tend to get people of his type in the party anymore.

[Хahar 🤔]

Trans issues have become as much of a dividing line as the EU/anti-semitism were 16-19, perhaps more so as those issues have become less prominent. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were GC corbynites who backed Duffield, or indeed people to the right of her (since Duffield isn’t seen as on the right by the right) for the same reason. Whilst there will be plenty in the 65 who voted to trigger her who also backed Keir.

Am I wrong to assume that it's a generational divide? I find it awfully hard to imagine "gender-critical" activism having appeal to any significant number of Labour activists my age.

[Coldstream]

Trans issues have become as much of a dividing line as the EU/anti-semitism were 16-19, perhaps more so as those issues have become less prominent. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were GC corbynites who backed Duffield, or indeed people to the right of her (since Duffield isn’t seen as on the right by the right) for the same reason. Whilst there will be plenty in the 65 who voted to trigger her who also backed Keir.

Am I wrong to assume that it's a generational divide? I find it awfully hard to imagine "gender-critical" activism having appeal to any significant number of Labour activists my age.

You don’t tend to see many passionately pro-Trans people over the age of 30 for sure. Though in my experience support for Trans rights isn’t as monolithic as you might think amongst under 30s - it’s more that GC people under that age would keep quiet about it.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Even for THIGMOO standards this is hilarious and messy. Worth reading in full!

https://labourlist.org/2022/05/exclusive-labour-on-target-to-lose-dagenham-and-rainham-cruddas-warns/

The fact that it is complete nonsense psephologically (and that he will know that) is the real 'Italian Chef Kisses Fingers' detail. Old school; classic.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I was always confused why Cruddas's career flatlined after 2010 despite seemingly trying to be the voice of post NuLabourism during Brown's career - he had some kind of strategic advice job during the Miliband years and made no real intervention during the Corbyn years (pro or con). Did he just suddenly lose his ambitions or did he annoy people?

[Coldstream]

Ian Byrne lost another trigger, seems likely he’ll face a full selection. It also seems UNITE’s new leadership don’t care about him because he’s seen as McCluskey’s man.

[Blair]

I was always confused why Cruddas's career flatlined after 2010 despite seemingly trying to be the voice of post NuLabourism during Brown's career - he had some kind of strategic advice job during the Miliband years and made no real intervention during the Corbyn years (pro or con). Did he just suddenly lose his ambitions or did he annoy people?

Iirc he didn’t even run for the Shadow Cabinet when he could have done quite well and got a decent job under Ed. Others who followed closely at the time might know more but he just seems to have lost interest- I can’t even recall anything big he’s done in Westminster.

instead he just did the weird policy job which is always historically a bit of a crap job. I always assume MPs trying to do this just get muscled out by party staff or various officials.

[CumbrianLefty]

Even for THIGMOO standards this is hilarious and messy. Worth reading in full!

https://labourlist.org/2022/05/exclusive-labour-on-target-to-lose-dagenham-and-rainham-cruddas-warns/

Even by normal "Labour thinker" standards he is incredibly pessimistic, though. I still recall his claim that the Big Society (remember that, folks?) could be "absolutely devastating" for Labour - something that seemed outlandish at the time and appears positively hilarious now.

[Blair]

Roy Hattersley has a guardian article attacking Keir over Brexit. It’s not a bad article but has he actually liked any Labour Leader since 1992?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Roy Hattersley has a guardian article attacking Keir over Brexit. It’s not a bad article but has he actually liked any Labour Leader since 1992?

This assumes that he liked Kinnock, which is questionable.

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

Even for THIGMOO standards this is hilarious and messy. Worth reading in full!

https://labourlist.org/2022/05/exclusive-labour-on-target-to-lose-dagenham-and-rainham-cruddas-warns/

Even by normal "Labour thinker" standards he is incredibly pessimistic, though. I still recall his claim that the Big Society (remember that, folks?) could be "absolutely devastating" for Labour - something that seemed outlandish at the time and appears positively hilarious now.

Is he pessimistic or does he choose his words with what he wants other people to do in mind, though...

[CumbrianLefty]

Well the "official" line remains that Tarry wasn't actually sacked for joining a picket line, so motyw.

[CumbrianLefty]

Btw that was in reply to a since deleted post re Lisa Nandy's visit to a picket line this morning.

[Torrain]

That was my bad - realised after posting it that I was probably mischaracterising the Nandy picket photo. As per usual, too much handwringing on my part - so nuked it.