Do you miss the Blue Dog/Moderate D Senate/House of Yesteryear?

[Suburbia]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

[brucejoel99]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

Yes because they're all* better than the Republicans they were replaced with.

*Not including Joe Lieberman

[😥]

Yes, I miss the moderate Democrats very much. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema in the Senate and a few Blue Dogs in the House - very, very few and not enough

I have a dream that Democrats would be more conservative on social issues, but stay or even move left on economic issues

[Suburbia]

Yes, I miss the moderate Democrats very much. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema in the Senate and a few Blue Dogs in the House - very, very few and not enough

I have a dream that Democrats would be more conservative on social issues, but stay or even move left on economic issues

Yes, get rid of private insurance and put M4A.

Blanche Lincoln almost lost to Bill Halter in 2010, but Halter failed to keep up his momentum in AR......

[Illiniwek]

Of course. All of those senators mentioned, minus Lieberman, were massive FFs.

[Blair]

Strange list.

Nelson is a pretty standard liberal/progressive, Zell Miller not only endorsed Bush but also Mccain, Gingrich & Chambliss, Rockefeller supported Obama in '08 & the public option- whilst Lincoln threatened to filibuster the public option.

Lieberman was a pretty standard mid-1990s liberal who became a grifter and John Breaux gave up a senate seat to make $ with Trent Lott as a lobbyist. The rest won because they had awful opponents, a wave year or a good name.

[😥]

Yes, I miss the moderate Democrats very much. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema in the Senate and a few Blue Dogs in the House - very, very few and not enough

I have a dream that Democrats would be more conservative on social issues, but stay or even move left on economic issues

Yes, get rid of private insurance and put M4A.

Blanche Lincoln almost lost to Bill Halter in 2010, but Halter failed to keep up his momentum in AR......

Not so left. Personally I against Medicare For All

[Orser67]

Yes, but mostly because they were competitive in areas that Democrats are no longer competitive in.

On the other hand, I like that the Democratic Party as a whole has moved to the left on economic issues, and will hopefully be a little more ideologically united the next time it takes power.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

nope

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

No, due to blue dogs of Zell Miller and Breaux are being replaced by pragmatists like Kelly, Bullock and Bollier, pragmatic Dems

[voice_of_resistance]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

Yes because they're all* better than the Republicans they were replaced with.

*Not including Joe Lieberman

Yes. The Blue Dogs who were in between the Dixiecrat era (-early 1970sish) and the Obama era (all those who lost the 2014 wave) were some of the big reasons the Senate functioned so well in those decades. Especially in the South, they were Democrats who managed to create biracial coalitions on a scale that the South hasn't really seen before or since. Republicans in the South don't give a sh**t about the black vote, but people like Landrieu and Heflin definitely did.

[Person Man]

They don't win elections any more.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

Yes because they're all* better than the Republicans they were replaced with.

*Not including Joe Lieberman

Yes. The Blue Dogs who were in between the Dixiecrat era (-early 1970sish) and the Obama era (all those who lost the 2014 wave) were some of the big reasons the Senate functioned so well in those decades. Especially in the South, they were Democrats who managed to create biracial coalitions on a scale that the South hasn't really seen before or since. Republicans in the South don't give a sh**t about the black vote, but people like Landrieu and Heflin definitely did.

[Mr. Smith]

No.

[Pericles]

They were pretty annoying and didn't really deserve progressive support But in most cases their Republican replacements are far worse. So if I'd add on 13 Blue Dogs to the current 47 Senate Democrats to get 60 Senate Democrats-of course I would, but if I'd trade 13 current Dem Senators for 13 Blue Dogs with the total still being 47-of course not.

[morgieb]

Not really, though it did at least that we could compete in vastly more places than we can now.

But the current House > the 2009/10 one.

[Lechasseur]

Yes

Not necessarily every single one of them individually, but overall yeah I do miss them as a group

[Storr]

Yes. Shoutout to Heath Shuler who was a great representative for WNC in congress.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Every single one of them except Lieberman was better than their replacements so yes

[smoltchanov]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

Yes because they're all* better than the Republicans they were replaced with.

*Not including Joe Lieberman

+101. An alternative to Blue Dogs in most cases were NOT "sterling progressives", but ultraconservative Republicans. And in almost all cases they were worse, frequently - MUCH worse. The only case, where i am sure of being vice versa - Larry McDonald in Georgia. There simply wasn't a place to the right of him..

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

Yes because they're all* better than the Republicans they were replaced with.

*Not including Joe Lieberman

+101. An alternative to Blue Dogs in most cases were NOT "sterling progressives", but ultraconservative Republicans. And in almost all cases they were worse, frequently - MUCH worse. The only case, where i am sure of being vice versa - Larry McDonald in Georgia. There simply wasn't a place to the right of him..

[voice_of_resistance]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

Yes because they're all* better than the Republicans they were replaced with.

*Not including Joe Lieberman

+101. An alternative to Blue Dogs in most cases were NOT "sterling progressives", but ultraconservative Republicans. And in almost all cases they were worse, frequently - MUCH worse. The only case, where i am sure of being vice versa - Larry McDonald in Georgia. There simply wasn't a place to the right of him..

Larry McDonald is definitely not what most would call a Blue Dog. He's a dyed-in-the-wool Dixiecrat who served about 30 years past when he should have.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.)
Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Bill Pryor (D-Ark.)
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.)
Joe Lieberman (D/I-Ct.)
John Breaux (D-La.)
Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Mary Landrieu (D-La.)
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
and many more I can think of.

Yes because they're all* better than the Republicans they were replaced with.

*Not including Joe Lieberman

+101. An alternative to Blue Dogs in most cases were NOT "sterling progressives", but ultraconservative Republicans. And in almost all cases they were worse, frequently - MUCH worse. The only case, where i am sure of being vice versa - Larry McDonald in Georgia. There simply wasn't a place to the right of him..

Larry McDonald is definitely not what most would call a Blue Dog. He's a dyed-in-the-wool Dixiecrat who served about 30 years past when he should have.

fair point.

[RINO Tom]

bronz, lol.

Anyway, of course.  I usually didn't share their politics (especially the "populist" ones), but ideological diversity is important to get things done.  Things like the Civil Rights Act would not have happened if you did not have pro-civil rights conservatives and pro-civil rights liberals working together, and that goes for any issue.  There need to be Republicans and Democrats whose views span a spectrum ... we don't need Ted Cruz clones on one side of the aisle and Ed Markey on the other.

Parties should be big tent groups that are united under a basic philosophy, not necessarily an ideology.  Ideally, the distinction between a Republican and a Democrat should be about how each would START to approach a solution (say, free market vs. economic legislation), not necessarily the end result.  Similar policies should be able to be arrived at by both conservative and liberal thinking.

[MarkD]

Are you sure, bronz, that Claire McCaskill can be called a moderate Democrat? During her 12 years in the Senate, she averaged 79.2% from the Americans for Democratic Action and only 12.4% from the American Conservative Union.

And no, I don't miss Air Claire.