NBC/Marist: Biden leads Trump in AZ and OH, Sanders leads in OH

[OSR stands with Israel]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should, and if they know what they're doing they will. Republicans might as well aggressively target Oregon.

Ohio is more or else like what Virginia is to the Republicans not Oregon . 

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should, and if they know what they're doing they will. Republicans might as well aggressively target Oregon.

Oregon is not an R trending state. Rural Oregon is desolate and the Portland metro is going to get bluer.

[Sbane]

Do they weigh by education levels?

[President Johnson]

It's very early, but looks like Uncle Joe is doing very well in Arizona.

[libertpaulian]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should, and if they know what they're doing they will. Republicans might as well aggressively target Oregon.

Ohio is more or else like what Virginia is to the Republicans not Oregon .  

As this poll shows, Ohio is still a swing state.  One election does not a red/blue state make.

The Heartland is still up for grabs.

[Yellowhammer]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should, and if they know what they're doing they will. Republicans might as well aggressively target Oregon.

Ohio is more or else like what Virginia is to the Republicans not Oregon .  

As this poll shows, Ohio is still a swing state.  One election does not a red/blue state make.

The Heartland is still up for grabs.

You can jab your hand into the sand as deep as you want (most here are pretty good at that), but that won't change the fact that there is almost no chance of a democrat winning Ohio in 2020. There is no convincing evidence to suggest it can be won. Zero.
You've been wish casting for a socialist president since I've been on this forum, but the path to electing one does not run through Ohio. Wake up.

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should, and if they know what they're doing they will. Republicans might as well aggressively target Oregon.

Oregon is not an R trending state. Rural Oregon is desolate and the Portland metro is going to get bluer.

I know that, where did I say it was trending R? I implied that it would be dumb for Republicans to target it, though looking back I could've made that clearer.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should. If they’re in contention in Ohio then they already have above or near 400 electoral votes anyway. There’s even less incentive to contest it since there is nothing of downballot value that is competitive there in 2020 either

[libertpaulian]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should. If they’re in contention in Ohio then they already have above or near 400 electoral votes anyway. There’s even less incentive to contest it since there is nothing of downballot value that is competitive there in 2020 either

A Congressional district or two, statehouse districts, plus a state supreme court race.

Same with Virginia.  I think if Trump wants to help the GOP, he'd go there a couple times to bolster Freitas and Taylor.  It may not win him the state, but it could make the difference for them (plus it could help pad his popular vote total).

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should. If they’re in contention in Ohio then they already have above or near 400 electoral votes anyway. There’s even less incentive to contest it since there is nothing of downballot value that is competitive there in 2020 either

A Congressional district or two, statehouse districts, plus a state supreme court race.

Same with Virginia.  I think if Trump wants to help the GOP, he'd go there a couple times to bolster Freitas and Taylor.  It may not win him the state, but it could make the difference for them (plus it could help pad his popular vote total).

No Ohio House districts are a priority, the legislature is supermajority Republican and Republicans control the court 6-1. Seems like a huge waste of resources to me. I thought Libertarians were supposed to have a good eye for return on investment?

[OSR stands with Israel]

This thread does show TrendsAreReal bias . When Texas polls showed A tie or Trump only up 1 then Trends said this proves its lean R at best even if Biden only wins nationally by 3-4 points while for this he says only happening if Dems are getting 400 electoral votes so Likely R even though this poll is worse for Trump than Texas is .

The fact is both Texas and Ohio are likely R and Biden will only win them in an 2008 style landslide victory (although Ohio will vote slightly to the right of Texas)

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

This thread does show TrendsAreReal bias . When Texas polls showed A tie or Trump only up 1 then Trends said this proves its lean R at best even if Biden only wins nationally by 3-4 points while for this he says only happening if Dems are getting 400 electoral votes so Likely R even though this poll is worse for Trump than Texas is .

The fact is both Texas and Ohio are likely R and Biden will only win them in an 2008 style landslide victory (although Ohio will vote slightly to the right of Texas)

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[Skill and Chance]

bUt DeMoCrAtS sHoUlD TrIaGe oHiO

They should. If they’re in contention in Ohio then they already have above or near 400 electoral votes anyway. There’s even less incentive to contest it since there is nothing of downballot value that is competitive there in 2020 either

A Congressional district or two, statehouse districts, plus a state supreme court race.

Same with Virginia.  I think if Trump wants to help the GOP, he'd go there a couple times to bolster Freitas and Taylor.  It may not win him the state, but it could make the difference for them (plus it could help pad his popular vote total).

No Ohio House districts are a priority, the legislature is supermajority Republican and Republicans control the court 6-1. Seems like a huge waste of resources to me. I thought Libertarians were supposed to have a good eye for return on investment?

The court is actually 5R/2D and 2 R seats are up.  It's a moonshot, but if Ohio Dems can flip both of them, gaining the ability to supervise the (weak by national standards) redistricting commission would be their most valuable accomplishment this whole decade.  

[OSR stands with Israel]

This thread does show TrendsAreReal bias . When Texas polls showed A tie or Trump only up 1 then Trends said this proves its lean R at best even if Biden only wins nationally by 3-4 points while for this he says only happening if Dems are getting 400 electoral votes so Likely R even though this poll is worse for Trump than Texas is .

The fact is both Texas and Ohio are likely R and Biden will only win them in an 2008 style landslide victory (although Ohio will vote slightly to the right of Texas)

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Keep quiet troll

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

This thread does show TrendsAreReal bias . When Texas polls showed A tie or Trump only up 1 then Trends said this proves its lean R at best even if Biden only wins nationally by 3-4 points while for this he says only happening if Dems are getting 400 electoral votes so Likely R even though this poll is worse for Trump than Texas is .

The fact is both Texas and Ohio are likely R and Biden will only win them in an 2008 style landslide victory (although Ohio will vote slightly to the right of Texas)

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Keep quiet troll

Bad PC, bad! What did I tell you about @ing me?!

[American2020]

I'm surprised about Ohio. I didn't think Ohio would flip to Biden.
Maybe it's a sign blue-collar workers and working families from the Upper Midwest are fed up of Trump and ready to let him down on November.

[MT Treasurer]

The OH poll is almost certainly a little too D-friendly, but this forum's obsession with OH being supposedly Safe R and significantly more likely to flip than IA even when there’s nothing suggesting that this is the case (quite the opposite actually) is really, really eerie.

[MT Treasurer]

Selzer showing Trump up 10 Points in IA yet Marist claims Biden up 4 in Ohio. No way this is true. Trumps Margin in OH was actually bigger in '16 compared to IA.

More lies on this forum! Trump won OH by 8.1 and IA by 9.4 percentage points. IA also had a stronger Republican trend than OH.

[MT Treasurer]

Trump will win OH in a close race, but you’d have to be a complete moron to assume that OH couldn’t possibly vote to the left of IA. Reading this forum you’d think OH was as Republican as OK.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I love elections, throw out the 278 EC calculator and we can have a 1976 map with OH and AZ voting left and PA and FL and IA voting right ward .

That's why elections are unpredictable

[Progressive Pessimist]

Well, the Arizona part of the poll at least looks more realistic than in previous polls. I am in utter disbelief at Ohio though. I don't want to get my hopes up.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I might as well post this again:

Well, the Arizona part of the poll at least looks more realistic than in previous polls. I am in utter disbelief at Ohio though. I don't want to get my hopes up.

[JohnCA246]

I really wouldn't be so sure AZ and TX are to the left of OH. Biden is a good fit and Dems overall did much better in OH senate/gov races in 2018 than Texas and AZ, granted there was no incumbent governor there. There haven't been many polls in OH, but Biden has consistently won them over Trump in the few that exist.

Without polls I would guess OH is going GOP, but not so much that I would disregard polls showing Biden winning.

[OneJ]

I still highly doubt that even Biden can pull out a win in Ohio.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Especially since DeWine pulled the latest stunt, Dems need to focus on WI

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Biden is leading Trump by 7.4% rn according o RCP, so it all looks reasonable. The question if Trump can press down the margin to 2016'ish level.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html