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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« on: March 16, 2020, 02:07:46 PM »

Just annouced on CNN.

This country is so F'd.  Democracy cannot be suspended for a virus.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2020, 02:10:51 PM »

Terrible, extremely short-sighted decision that sets a bad precedent.  The primaries MUST NOT be delayed.  Sanitize the machines after every person votes.  Extend voting hours til midnight if need be.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2020, 02:16:35 PM »

Just annouced on CNN.

This country is so F'd.  Democracy cannot be suspended for a virus.

The primary elections schedule is arbitrary.  Any election that happens tomorrow should not be considered democratic.


When Trump wants to suspend the November election and Republicans going along with it, you'll be singing a different tune.  If you don't think it can happen, you haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2020, 02:18:01 PM »

Terrible, extremely short-sighted decision that sets a bad precedent.  The primaries MUST NOT be delayed.  Sanitize the machines after every person votes.  Extend voting hours til midnight if need be.

This is why we need universal vote by mail with automatic voter registration.

As a temporary measure considering the magnitude of this emergency, sure.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2020, 04:43:33 PM »



As of now it appears OH will vote.

The media is irresponsibly reporting that voting has already been postpoined, so at this point if it does go ahead turnout will be abysmal.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2020, 06:56:08 PM »

CNN has now updated the story and deleted the incorrect tweets, but they initially reported that the judge had granted the request for postponement.  They left the incorrect tweet up there for about 30 minutes before deleting it and sent push notifications to peoples’ phones with the wrong info.  To add to that, all day they’ve been reporting that the OH GOV had postponed they primary, when in reality he had only requested its postponement.  Its shameful journalism on their part.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2020, 08:59:55 PM »




Mike DeWine needs to be impeached (and obviously, arrested for defying a court order).

He has no authority to delay this election.  When people worry about "authoritarian measures" sweeping over this country - this is exactly what we're talking about.

He's wrong, by the way.  NOTHING is more important than free and fair elections.  What a disgusting tweet.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2020, 09:19:00 PM »



Mike DeWine needs to be impeached (and obviously, arrested for defying a court order).

He has no authority to delay this election.  When people worry about "authoritarian measures" sweeping over this country - this is exactly what we're talking about.

He's wrong, by the way.  NOTHING is more important than free and fair elections.  What a disgusting tweet.

Elections are made for man, not man for elections.

It's not a fair election if circumstances suppress the vote of people who feel a need to be concerned about their own health or those of their families.

Hopefully we don't have a really bad natural disaster in November that compels Donald Trump to suspend the election!
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2020, 09:28:05 PM »



He's done it.  Blatantly defying a court order.  This is what the virus hysteria is bringing to our country.  Elections are literally being illegally shut down now.

DeWine needs to be thrown in jail for this.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2020, 11:44:18 PM »

I completely agree that DeWine needs to be impeached over this.  Cancelling an election the night before by fiat in direct defiance of a court order is unconstitutional and un-American.  Honestly, this is worse than anything Trump has done (although it may just be a preview of what he is going to try to pull in the future).  Preventing the destruction of our democracy is more important than preventing the virus.

Unfortunately, Americans from both parties have decided that they're perfectly fine throwing the rule of law & democracy out the window at the first sign of hardship.  I've never been so disturbed by my fellow countrymen.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2020, 03:19:08 PM »

While I was looking forward to voting today, and wish I had taken the opportunity Charlie Vogt when I was near my County Board of Elections last week, I'm perfectly fine with this President. This President is, well, without precedent. Unless someone can correct me with evidence that we didn't delay elections during the 1918 influenza plague.

Remember, we're talking about delaying primaries 4 elections to be held in November. While it is less than optimal to have a delay in selection of candidates for the general election, considering the, again, unprecedented magnitude of this outbreak, it seems like a wise choice.

That said, while I have been generally favorable of Mike dewine handling this crisis, is attempting to cancel the election at literally the 11th and 3/4 hour was just abysmal. I realized it the situation with his pandemic is changing literally by the hour and he may not have received firm advice to cancel from his health professionals until shortly before the decision, but even then it was quite the klusterfuk.

Even more concerning is the very strong implication that Dwayne was ready to say screw the judges refusal to Grant a temporary restraining order delaying the election, he was going to unilaterally do so himself with or without judicial branch approval. That is extremely troubling, and is not mitigated by the severity of this crisis

It happened in New York on 9/11. While voting was underway. Statewide.

And denial of a TRO is not the same as a court order to hold an election. The Ohio parties and Supremes sided with DeWine, too.




That's not pertinent to what I said. Before The Supremes ruled, DeWine more than an implied he was going to cancel the elections notwithstanding judicial or executive authority to do so

The Health Commissioner has the authority to do just that during a health emergency. The judge that refused to grant the TRO didn't enjoin her from doing so. Therefore, the Columbus judge's ruling wasn't relevant to whether DeWine could unliaterally postpone. Don't believe me? Read this tweet from the director of election law at The Ohio State University's Law School:



And again, there's precedent - Pataki unilaterally postponed the New York primary elections statewide on 9/11 by executive order, regardless of the fact that no statute gave him the authority to postpone a primary election. The legislature came in session and set a new date.

Please don't defend the authority of unelected bureacrats to cancel elections unilaterally.  What a terrible thing unleashed upon our country.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,595
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2020, 03:25:51 PM »

While I was looking forward to voting today, and wish I had taken the opportunity Charlie Vogt when I was near my County Board of Elections last week, I'm perfectly fine with this President. This President is, well, without precedent. Unless someone can correct me with evidence that we didn't delay elections during the 1918 influenza plague.

Remember, we're talking about delaying primaries 4 elections to be held in November. While it is less than optimal to have a delay in selection of candidates for the general election, considering the, again, unprecedented magnitude of this outbreak, it seems like a wise choice.

That said, while I have been generally favorable of Mike dewine handling this crisis, is attempting to cancel the election at literally the 11th and 3/4 hour was just abysmal. I realized it the situation with his pandemic is changing literally by the hour and he may not have received firm advice to cancel from his health professionals until shortly before the decision, but even then it was quite the klusterfuk.

Even more concerning is the very strong implication that Dwayne was ready to say screw the judges refusal to Grant a temporary restraining order delaying the election, he was going to unilaterally do so himself with or without judicial branch approval. That is extremely troubling, and is not mitigated by the severity of this crisis

It happened in New York on 9/11. While voting was underway. Statewide.

And denial of a TRO is not the same as a court order to hold an election. The Ohio parties and Supremes sided with DeWine, too.




That's not pertinent to what I said. Before The Supremes ruled, DeWine more than an implied he was going to cancel the elections notwithstanding judicial or executive authority to do so

The Health Commissioner has the authority to do just that during a health emergency. The judge that refused to grant the TRO didn't enjoin her from doing so. Therefore, the Columbus judge's ruling wasn't relevant to whether DeWine could unliaterally postpone. Don't believe me? Read this tweet from the director of election law at The Ohio State University's Law School:



And again, there's precedent - Pataki unilaterally postponed the New York primary elections statewide on 9/11 by executive order, regardless of the fact that no statute gave him the authority to postpone a primary election. The legislature came in session and set a new date.

Please don't defend the authority of unelected bureacrats to cancel elections unilaterally.  What a terrible thing unleashed upon our country.

Well, that's not what happened here so nobody's defending that.

Reschedule, whatever.  It makes no difference to me.  Unelected officials should not have the authority to do either.  It disgusts me.
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Green Line
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,595
United States


« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2020, 03:43:06 PM »

While I was looking forward to voting today, and wish I had taken the opportunity Charlie Vogt when I was near my County Board of Elections last week, I'm perfectly fine with this President. This President is, well, without precedent. Unless someone can correct me with evidence that we didn't delay elections during the 1918 influenza plague.

Remember, we're talking about delaying primaries 4 elections to be held in November. While it is less than optimal to have a delay in selection of candidates for the general election, considering the, again, unprecedented magnitude of this outbreak, it seems like a wise choice.

That said, while I have been generally favorable of Mike dewine handling this crisis, is attempting to cancel the election at literally the 11th and 3/4 hour was just abysmal. I realized it the situation with his pandemic is changing literally by the hour and he may not have received firm advice to cancel from his health professionals until shortly before the decision, but even then it was quite the klusterfuk.

Even more concerning is the very strong implication that Dwayne was ready to say screw the judges refusal to Grant a temporary restraining order delaying the election, he was going to unilaterally do so himself with or without judicial branch approval. That is extremely troubling, and is not mitigated by the severity of this crisis

It happened in New York on 9/11. While voting was underway. Statewide.

And denial of a TRO is not the same as a court order to hold an election. The Ohio parties and Supremes sided with DeWine, too.




That's not pertinent to what I said. Before The Supremes ruled, DeWine more than an implied he was going to cancel the elections notwithstanding judicial or executive authority to do so

The Health Commissioner has the authority to do just that during a health emergency. The judge that refused to grant the TRO didn't enjoin her from doing so. Therefore, the Columbus judge's ruling wasn't relevant to whether DeWine could unliaterally postpone. Don't believe me? Read this tweet from the director of election law at The Ohio State University's Law School:



And again, there's precedent - Pataki unilaterally postponed the New York primary elections statewide on 9/11 by executive order, regardless of the fact that no statute gave him the authority to postpone a primary election. The legislature came in session and set a new date.

Please don't defend the authority of unelected bureacrats to cancel elections unilaterally.  What a terrible thing unleashed upon our country.

Well, that's not what happened here so nobody's defending that.

Reschedule, whatever.  It makes no difference to me.  Unelected officials should not have the authority to do either.  It disgusts me.

Well then, I'm sorry you believe that making it easier & safer for voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote is disgusting.

It was made neither safer, nor easier.
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