Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 21 - aftermath of consolidation)

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Gwen Graham not happy with bernie's castro comments on 60 minutes.

[snip]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

There is a lot more dirt on Bernie than the stuff posted above. There is a video of him naked with Soviets singing their anthem. I don't want to post it here because I don't want to get in trouble for posting something that could be NSFW. If you want to find it it is on Twitter.

1. I thought it was a given that Florida is gonna be a very weak state for him in the primary/general?

2. Few people outside of those who already don't like him will be perturbed by these comments.

3. This wasn't some "never-before seen" interview that got leaked today. It's a 40 year old interview that resurfaced in 2016 & was played during a Florida debate. His response on 60 Minutes tonight was similar to what he said at that debate.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-1985-praise-of-fidel-castro-sandinistas-220550

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Sure, but he was never going to win Florida anyway.

So how about Wisconsin, Michigan & Penn then? He would be equally screwed there too. And throw in some ads of HIM describing HIMSELF as a Democratic Socialist, and it's game over man!

 As if 20+ million viewers didn't see everyone on the debate stage call him that just 4 days ago. Let alone being hit over the head with it for another 4 years.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Sure, but he was never going to win Florida anyway.

So how about Wisconsin, Michigan & Penn then? He would be equally screwed there too. And throw in some ads of HIM describing HIMSELF as a Democratic Socialist, and it's game over man!

Those states are not as big of c***teases for Democrats as Florida is. I don't know for sure that Sanders can win any of them, or even all three of them, but he definitely has a better shot in all of them than in Florida.

[brucejoel99]

Not a great (actually, quite the dumbass) thing to say, but regardless, most of the people likely to be upset by this were never gonna vote for the self-identified socialist anyway.

[Intell]

Not a great (actually, quite the dumbass) thing to say, but regardless, most of the people likely to be upset by this were never gonna vote for the self-identified socialist anyway.

This is more of a general election problem.

[brucejoel99]

Not a great (actually, quite the dumbass) thing to say, but regardless, most of the people likely to be upset by this were never gonna vote for the self-identified socialist anyway.

This is more of a general election problem.

My statement applied to it being a general election problem.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I would much, much rather the attacks on Sanders in the general being "did you hear what he said about Castro 40 years ago?" rather than "Bernie wants to give illegals free healthcare!" The more the former dominates the airwaves the less voters hear attacks on issues they actually care about.

[Ebsy]

Wow a socialist said positive things about Fidel Castro and the Cuban Revolution, I can't believe it.

[dax00]

Perhaps it would help to run general pro-socialism ads without mentioning Bernie. Like educational ads that describe all the terminology and all the great things socialist policies have achieved.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Perhaps it would help to run general pro-socialism ads without mentioning Bernie. Like educational ads that describe all the terminology and all the great things socialist policies have achieved.

I think the Republicans are going to do that for you.

[Heebie Jeebie]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Sure, but he was never going to win Florida anyway.

Hillary only lost Florida by 1.2%!  I thought it was an article of faith among everyone on this site that bErNie HaZ MoAr ElEcTaBlE!

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Sure, but he was never going to win Florida anyway.

Hillary only lost Florida by 1.2%!  I thought it was an article of faith among everyone on this site that bErNie HaZ MoAr ElEcTaBlE!

5 Bernie-bros is not "everyone on this site"

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

If Republicans run on the things Bernie Sanders said 40 years ago, they’ll lose. Ask Hillary Clinton how focusing on Trump’s past worked for her

[Heebie Jeebie]

If Republicans run on the things Bernie Sanders said 40 years ago, they’ll lose. Ask Hillary Clinton how focusing on Trump’s past worked for her

I agree with your broader point, but I don't think the Clinton example really holds up.  Clinton was on her way to victory until James Comey intervened in the final few days before the election.  This, despite fundamentals that clearly favored the out party.

[BP🌹]

If Republicans run on the things Bernie Sanders said 40 years ago, they’ll lose. Ask Hillary Clinton how focusing on Trump’s past worked for her

I agree with your broader point, but I don't think the Clinton example really holds up.  Clinton was on her way to victory until James Comey intervened in the final few days before the election.  This, despite fundamentals that clearly favored the out party.

If she hadn't ran a godawful campaign, Comey wouldn't have been enough to matter.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Sure, but he was never going to win Florida anyway.

Hillary only lost Florida by 1.2%!  I thought it was an article of faith among everyone on this site that bErNie HaZ MoAr ElEcTaBlE!

The millstone that is the Florida Democratic Party gets heavier every year

[KaiserDave]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Agreed
If Bernie gets Gillum numbers in South Florida, he's toast in that state.

He may not have much of a shot there anyways.

He will lose by 1%, it is Florida after all.

[Pyro]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Fine. Let's play this clip right alongside it.

https://twitter.com/NicholasIvanoff/status/1231781040211013632

Or is it only bad if Bernie says it?

[redjohn]

It's hard not to be proud of the incredible campaign Bernie's running. He's been written off several times this cycle and keeps coming back stronger and with a larger base. NH was the beginning, NV was  a major victory, and on Super Tuesday comes the knockout punches.

Sanders winning CA, TX, UT, CO, VT, and ME is pretty much considered his floor now. There's a very good chance he also wins OK, MN, MA, and decent shots in VA and NC. His margins in CA and TX could be the end of the game for the other campaigns.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Or is it only bad if Bernie says it?

Obama is saying "I said something nice to Raul Castro."

Sanders is saying "yes Fidel Castro killed thousands of people, was brutally oppressive and vicious, robbed his country of its wealth and drove everyone into poverty, but hey on the other hand they can read!"

But let's put all the oppression, murder, robbery, torture and starvation aside.  You know why Cuba has good health care and education?  Because the government focuses on those things at the expense of virtually everything else that you need to do to run a functioning nation.  If they allocated their resources better and ran the country better they wouldn't be impoverished and miserable.  Instead they run a socialist state.  It's a tradeoff and Sanders focuses only on the positives of that tradeoff and ignores virtually all the obvious negatives.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Yeah not gonna lie. Tonight has been a bad night for Bernie. Bad faith arguments or not he’s getting hammered all over social media for his 60 minutes interview and now this AIPAC fight. It’s pretty dangerous to just dismiss the Cuban and Jewish votes out of the gate and just assume young people can fill the void. This the first time he is coming off as an easy mark for Trump that his critics have been making him out to be

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

This will be on every TV station in south Florida if Bernie is the nominee.

Fine. Let's play this clip right alongside it.

https://twitter.com/NicholasIvanoff/status/1231781040211013632

Or is it only bad if Bernie says it?

More like it's much more congruent with Sanders's style of politics than Obama's, and therefore more salient of an attack.

Not that that many voters will actually care about this. Trump said things that were as bad as this about a number of autocrats around the world in 2016 and he still won.

[Florida Man for Crime]

I would much, much rather the attacks on Sanders in the general being "did you hear what he said about Castro 40 years ago?" rather than "Bernie wants to give illegals free healthcare!" The more the former dominates the airwaves the less voters hear attacks on issues they actually care about.

This may well turn out to be a hidden advantage of nominating Sanders. Republicans will go so totally nuts about "muh socialism" that they will forget to actually attack Sanders on actual issues that affect voters' daily lives.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

I would much, much rather the attacks on Sanders in the general being "did you hear what he said about Castro 40 years ago?" rather than "Bernie wants to give illegals free healthcare!" The more the former dominates the airwaves the less voters hear attacks on issues they actually care about.

This may well turn out to be a hidden advantage of nominating Sanders. Republicans will go so totally nuts about "muh socialism" that they will forget to actually attack Sanders on actual issues that affect voters' daily lives.

Yes, I say have at it with attacking him on “socialism”. It’s not like they haven’t done that to every Democrat the past 60 years. On top of that, how many voters probably don’t even know who Castro is or just assume that he’s another random Presidential candidate? Probably the vast majority lol

[ON Progressive]

Yeah not gonna lie. Tonight has been a bad night for Bernie. Bad faith arguments or not he’s getting hammered all over social media for his 60 minutes interview and now this AIPAC fight. It’s pretty dangerous to just dismiss the Cuban and Jewish votes out of the gate and just assume young people can fill the void. This the first time he is coming off as an easy mark for Trump that his critics have been making him out to be

I wouldn’t worry about the AIPAC fight. Contrary to popular myth, most Jewish voters don’t care about Israel. Most of the hardcore pro-Israel types are conservative evangelicals who ain’t voting for any Democrat.

[BP🌹]

Or is it only bad if Bernie says it?

Obama is saying "I said something nice to Raul Castro."

Sanders is saying "yes Fidel Castro killed thousands of people, was brutally oppressive and vicious, robbed his country of its wealth and drove everyone into poverty, but hey on the other hand they can read!"

But let's put all the oppression, murder, robbery, torture and starvation aside.  You know why Cuba has good health care and education?  Because the government focuses on those things at the expense of virtually everything else that you need to do to run a functioning nation.  If they allocated their resources better and ran the country better they wouldn't be impoverished and miserable.  Instead they run a socialist state.  It's a tradeoff and Sanders focuses only on the positives of that tradeoff and ignores virtually all the obvious negatives.

1. America has supported and continues to support regimes that have killed many more people than Cuba's (and our own capitalist system has killed lots of people more indirectly).

2. Your point about starvation is demonstratably false.