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« on: February 12, 2020, 05:52:13 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2020, 05:54:48 PM »

Well, it can't be Hillary because she needs to come into the convention with at least one delegate.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2020, 05:56:28 PM »

The one with the most delegates. If it were otherwise, the Democratic Party would destroy itself, and they are not going to do that, as David Plouffe has explained.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2020, 05:58:34 PM »

The one with the most delegates. If it were otherwise, the Democratic Party would destroy itself, and they are not going to do that, as David Plouffe has explained.


Um what if 2 of Amy/Pete/Bloomberg/Biden have say have over 50% of the delegates and Bernie has 40%(and say Warren has 5%).


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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 06:04:12 PM »

If Sanders has the most delegates but Kloubuchar and Buttigieg collectively have over 50%, you could have a real pickle on your hands. I really don't know what would happen in that instance.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 06:07:55 PM »

The one with the most delegates. If it were otherwise, the Democratic Party would destroy itself, and they are not going to do that, as David Plouffe has explained.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 06:09:29 PM »

The likelihood is still with Bernie, since he's likelier than not to have the majority of delegates. He might have to pick Klobuchar or Buttigieg as his running mate to solidify power, though.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2020, 07:06:49 PM »

If Sanders has the most delegates but Kloubuchar and Buttigieg collectively have over 50%, you could have a real pickle on your hands. I really don't know what would happen in that instance.

Harry Reid comes in, talks to everyone, and then after a while smoke appears from the Vatican and Harry Reid comes out and announces that the ticket is Sanders/Klobuchar and that Buttigieg will be Secretary of Defense (or State or whatever he wants). This assuming that Sanders is the one with the most delegates, otherwise you get something similar with the other candidate at the top of the ticket.

That is seriously how it will play out (and Reid will be the one organizing it).
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2020, 07:36:23 PM »

If Sanders has the most delegates but Kloubuchar and Buttigieg collectively have over 50%, you could have a real pickle on your hands. I really don't know what would happen in that instance.

Harry Reid comes in, talks to everyone, and then after a while smoke appears from the Vatican and Harry Reid comes out and announces that the ticket is Sanders/Klobuchar and that Buttigieg will be Secretary of Defense (or State or whatever he wants). This assuming that Sanders is the one with the most delegates, otherwise you get something similar with the other candidate at the top of the ticket.

That is seriously how it will play out (and Reid will be the one organizing it).

If anything, Pete would have far stronger claim to the VP slot that Klownbachar under such a scenario.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2020, 07:40:06 PM »

For the sake of party unity it's going to have to be Sanders.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2020, 07:44:43 PM »

For the sake of party unity it's going to have to be Sanders.

Not a chance
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2020, 07:48:00 PM »

Superdelegates have a tendency of supporting establishment candidates, so I say Biden, especially if he wins South Carolina and the south.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2020, 07:48:53 PM »


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2020, 07:52:40 PM »


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2020, 07:59:45 PM »

As convention is in Milwaukee, I can see a WI nominee as compromise... Baldwin or Feingold.
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2020, 08:02:43 PM »

As convention is in Milwaukee, I can see a WI nominee as compromise... Baldwin or Feingold.

Feingold 2020? Holy f***! A contested convention might not be such a nightmare after all!

This won't happen though...


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.

That's definitely possible, there are risks to nominating Sanders that I would actually agree with. As I see it though if they let Sanders get nominated he could win, keep the party together, and keep his devout base as part of a new Democratic coalition for at least the next four years and look something like Trump's leadership of the GOP (though I doubt Sanders would ever be as powerful just by virtue of the Democratic Party being made up more of disparate factions). Or if Sanders does get Corbyned, he and his political influence lose a lot of credibility and allows the DNC to do their "I Told You So" dance and then come back in 2024 with a more mainstream candidate from the more mainstream faction of the faction with renewed interest in that type of politics, who is very likely to win after eight years of Trump.

That's the line of thinking that is making me more accepting of Sanders getting nominated, as someone who is very skeptical of him and somehow resistant to his brand. My lack of investment in him and the politics he sells will make him losing more tolerable than most other Democrats, and if he wins we don't have Trump anymore.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2020, 08:09:36 PM »


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.

"This guy got the most delegates. Should he be nominated?"

"No, I would rather lose to Trump than nominate Sanders."
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2020, 08:35:24 PM »

love it or hate it (and i hate it) the ticket is going to be Bloomberg/ Harris
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2020, 08:47:32 PM »

love it or hate it (and i hate it) the ticket is going to be Bloomberg/ Harris
Love it.
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2020, 08:48:31 PM »

No, I would rather lose to Trump than nominate Sanders.

That's not how this works.
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2020, 08:49:30 PM »


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.

"This guy got the most delegates. Should he be nominated?"

"No, I would rather lose to Trump than nominate Sanders."


What if results are like this(you can replace two moderates on here with Biden/Bloomberg on here too and same point stands)


Bernie : 40% of Delegates
Amy: 28% of Delegates
Pete: 25% of Delegates


Then Amy and Pete make a deal of Amy/Pete ticket then the fact is their combined vote would be 53% compared to Bernie 40% . Thats not being robbed
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2020, 09:04:46 PM »


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.

"This guy got the most delegates. Should he be nominated?"

"No, I would rather lose to Trump than nominate Sanders."


What if results are like this(you can replace two moderates on here with Biden/Bloomberg on here too and same point stands)


Bernie : 40% of Delegates
Amy: 28% of Delegates
Pete: 25% of Delegates


Then Amy and Pete make a deal of Amy/Pete ticket then the fact is their combined vote would be 53% compared to Bernie 40% . Thats not being robbed
Of course it isn't. Extremely online Bernie Bros will yell for a bit that it is, but then they'll eventually get in line.
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2020, 09:07:12 PM »


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.

"This guy got the most delegates. Should he be nominated?"

"No, I would rather lose to Trump than nominate Sanders."


What if results are like this(you can replace two moderates on here with Biden/Bloomberg on here too and same point stands)


Bernie : 40% of Delegates
Amy: 28% of Delegates
Pete: 25% of Delegates


Then Amy and Pete make a deal of Amy/Pete ticket then the fact is their combined vote would be 53% compared to Bernie 40% . Thats not being robbed
Of course it isn't. Extremely online Bernie Bros will yell for a bit that it is, but then they'll eventually get in line.

Imagine still thinking this after what happened in 2016.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2020, 09:18:18 PM »


If he comes into the convention with the most delegates already his supporters will flip a s*** if he is deprived of the nomination. I think the DNC is secretly terrified of them, as they should be, and will capitulate for the sake of salvaging what party unity they can.

I think many in the DNC would rather Trump narrowly win reelection than risk nominating Bernie and getting Corbyned.  Plus, Bernie has spent the past eight years sh!ting on these people.  They're not just gonna hand him the keys when they don't have to.

"This guy got the most delegates. Should he be nominated?"

"No, I would rather lose to Trump than nominate Sanders."


What if results are like this(you can replace two moderates on here with Biden/Bloomberg on here too and same point stands)


Bernie : 40% of Delegates
Amy: 28% of Delegates
Pete: 25% of Delegates


Then Amy and Pete make a deal of Amy/Pete ticket then the fact is their combined vote would be 53% compared to Bernie 40% . Thats not being robbed
Of course it isn't. Extremely online Bernie Bros will yell for a bit that it is, but then they'll eventually get in line.

Kyle Kulinsiki has already threatened to lead a protest of thousands of Bernie Bros at the DNC (or outside it) to force the Dems to give Bernie the nomination.

Bernie Bros are terrible
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2020, 09:24:04 PM »

Well, it can't be Hillary because she needs to come into the convention with at least one delegate.

This is not a rule. In fact, no rule either explicitly or implicitly prohibits an attempt to get nominated from the floor after the first ballot has failed to produce a nominee. Indeed, the Democratic National Convention is only obliged to select a candidate who participated in the nominating process as a whole (i.e. even if said candidate didn't start participating in the nominating process until the convention itself), rather than simply in the primary election process.
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