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« Reply #1200 on: February 11, 2020, 10:13:03 PM »

Anyone have any up-to-date turnout projections?
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« Reply #1201 on: February 11, 2020, 10:13:08 PM »

Where does Bernie think he can expand his base when he is getting only 26% in home territory?

It seems like this primary is hurting all of the major candidates, while the candidates not on the Democratic ballot (Bloomberg and yes, Trump) are the beneficiaries.

I totally agree on Bloomberg, but I don’t see how this result helps Trump (unlike Iowa).

Iowa and New Hampshire in conjunction, have both turned out to be extremely fractious contests, with no clear frontrunner emerging. Trump, as you know, held a rally in New Hampshire on Monday. These contests provide him with the opportunity to point out the "divisions" of his Democratic opponents.
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« Reply #1202 on: February 11, 2020, 10:13:15 PM »

I've been wrong about Bernie being able to win the general. America isn't A Center-Right Country or wtfever, but the 2020 incarnation of him just isn't motivating people outside his base. (I still maintain that the 2016 version could have.)

His coalition doesn't look the same as it did 4 years ago, not to mention there are a ton of candidates still in the race. White and rural states benefited him 4 years ago because that was where his support was; this time around, it appears there are clear trends that diverge from that. More urban and more diverse states are likely to be better for him and compensate for these early underperformances.

It's no shrug in my opinion that Sanders is still going to win NH in the highest turnout primary in the state's history.
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« Reply #1203 on: February 11, 2020, 10:13:27 PM »

Reiterating my question about whether there is somewhere where we can see the results from the CDs ?
All candidates appear to be within 1% of their standing.

Sanders Buttigieg Klobuchar Warren Biden 
NH-126.3%23.0%19.6%9.2%9.4%
NH-227.3%23.3%20.0%10.4%7.5%
NH-AL26.7%23.1%19.8%9.7%8.7%
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« Reply #1204 on: February 11, 2020, 10:13:40 PM »

These results are terrible for Sanders in terms of a general election. All the people who are not his base are basically voting against him. College educated whites - suburban voters are not voting for him. In the general that is a HUGE issue.
It tells us that they won't vote for Sanders against other Democratic candidates.

It does not tell us that they won't vote for Sanders against Trump.
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« Reply #1205 on: February 11, 2020, 10:14:11 PM »

With these suburban results, I'm beginning to think that even VA might be a swing state this fall with Bernie at the top of the ticket.

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« Reply #1206 on: February 11, 2020, 10:14:21 PM »

Nothing in these first two states makes me think that trump WON'T win by more than he did in 2016.

Dems could find that centrist who would could really appeal in the suburbs but I don't see it yet.
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« Reply #1207 on: February 11, 2020, 10:17:27 PM »

I've been wrong about Bernie being able to win the general. America isn't A Center-Right Country or wtfever, but the 2020 incarnation of him just isn't motivating people outside his base. (I still maintain that the 2016 version could have.)

I tend to agree with this, but he was never the suburban women candidate and where Bernie has perhaps really expanded his base is among minorities. Iowa and NH just don't give us an opportunity to see hoe successful he's been. In 2020 you can squeeze minority turnout really tightly and fire up your base and win a national election.
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« Reply #1208 on: February 11, 2020, 10:17:38 PM »
« Edited: February 11, 2020, 10:23:09 PM by Interlocutor »

I've been wrong about Bernie being able to win the general. America isn't A Center-Right Country or wtfever, but the 2020 incarnation of him just isn't motivating people outside his base. (I still maintain that the 2016 version could have.)

The 2016 version had a feeling of "magic" and populist change that this incarnation doesn't. I'm not sure if it's because the party as a whole has acquiesced somewhat to his policies or lack of freshness, but there hasn't been many moments from him this time that's on par with the "America" ad (For example). It's like he's gone from "Agent of change" to "Elder statesman" in 4 years. We'll see when we get to more Hispanic electorates and his potential/supposed surge with them, but it's a shell of the hip-new campaign of 2016 with rarely-discussed ideas and 100% grassroots campaigning.

And I'm saying that as a solid Bernie supporter then and now.
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« Reply #1209 on: February 11, 2020, 10:18:18 PM »



Gonna be a photo finish.
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« Reply #1210 on: February 11, 2020, 10:19:22 PM »

I've been wrong about Bernie being able to win the general. America isn't A Center-Right Country or wtfever, but the 2020 incarnation of him just isn't motivating people outside his base. (I still maintain that the 2016 version could have.)

The 2016 version had a feeling of "magic" and populist change that this one doesn't. I'm not sure if it's because the party as a whole has acquiesce somewhat to his policies or lack of freshness, but there hasn't been many moments from him this time that's on par with the "America" ad (For example). It's like he's gone from "Agent of change" to "Elder statesman".

And I'm saying that as a solid Bernie supporter then and now.

Did Trump already suck up the populist anti-establishment energy from Bernie’s 2016 campaign?
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« Reply #1211 on: February 11, 2020, 10:19:30 PM »

Gabbard is not dropping out, she said she'll go on to South Carolina.
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« Reply #1212 on: February 11, 2020, 10:19:34 PM »

Turnout projection:

290.000 (D)
155.000 (R)
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« Reply #1213 on: February 11, 2020, 10:19:55 PM »

Are there enough votes outstanding for pete to win?

No. I told you this like an hour ago, all you had to do was read it.
Not a NH native so why doesn’t he have enough outstanding votes?

Derry Town in Rockingham County...

Pete and Amy did well there, but looking pretty clear that Bernie did well enough among the European-Ethnic WWC Catholic Voters from Irish, French/French-Canadian, & Italian background.

Throw Manchester & Nashua into the mix game, set match....
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« Reply #1214 on: February 11, 2020, 10:19:57 PM »

Anyone have any up-to-date turnout projections?

Much better than 2016, might get to 2008 levels or better.
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« Reply #1215 on: February 11, 2020, 10:20:00 PM »



Gonna be a photo finish.

The raw vote margin isn’t decreasing...
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« Reply #1216 on: February 11, 2020, 10:20:12 PM »

Gabbard is not dropping out, she said she'll go on to South Carolina.

Why!?
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« Reply #1217 on: February 11, 2020, 10:20:28 PM »

Yeah Bernie wins this by 2%, not great for him, not great for anyone really.
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« Reply #1218 on: February 11, 2020, 10:20:38 PM »

Klobuchar has taken a lot of votes from Warren too along with Biden votes. I don't think people even care about ideology anymore.
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« Reply #1219 on: February 11, 2020, 10:20:44 PM »

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« Reply #1220 on: February 11, 2020, 10:21:08 PM »

Sanders Buttigieg Klobuchar Warren Biden 
NH-125.6%23.8%20.4%8.9%9.0%
NH-226.4%24.1%19.5%10.1%7.9%
NH-AL25.9%24.0%20.0%9.4%8.6%
This is based on DDHQ with 76% in.
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« Reply #1221 on: February 11, 2020, 10:21:30 PM »

I’m guessing Bernie wins by 1.5-2.0 percent. Bad night for camp Sanders, the honest winner is Klobuchar.
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« Reply #1222 on: February 11, 2020, 10:21:41 PM »

With these suburban results, I'm beginning to think that even VA might be a swing state this fall with Bernie at the top of the ticket.

Just like how in 2008 Hillary Clinton won PA, MI, and OH in the primary, and then everyone said "oh, Obama will lose in the swingy rust belt."
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« Reply #1223 on: February 11, 2020, 10:21:49 PM »

Gabbard is not dropping out, she said she'll go on to South Carolina.

Why!?

As I've said before, she's not running for reelection to the House, and therefore has nothing to lose. She could stay in for the long haul, if she wished.
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« Reply #1224 on: February 11, 2020, 10:22:09 PM »



Anemic.
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