New Hampshire Primary Thread (polls close at 6-7 CT)

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Watching CNN and I think the rivalry to watch this election season is gonna be Chris Cuomo vs Harry Enten

[Xing]

While it’s not exactly terrible for Sanders, since he won, and that’ll be part of the narrative (along with Klobuchar’s performance), it was pretty lackluster. While he may have enjoyed more of a quasi-home state effect last time than this time, going forward Sanders should hope that polling is right about how he’s doing with Latinos. If it is, he should feel good about his chances in Nevada, as well as California. Honestly though, this race is wide open, and with Biden doing this poorly, it’s a very good question how AAs will vote.

[BlueSwan]

Just woke up to these results.

Honestly a very underwhelming victory for Sanders, but I guess a win is still a win. Also Warren underperforming is great news for him. Still the “left” only got 35% in a lilywhite state. There’s hope yet for the mainstream candidates (and hence for beating Trump).

Gutted that Pete couldn’t pull it off. He probably had, had it not been for Klobuchar. Too many mainstream candidates still in.

Contested convention really looks like a serious possibility this time around. Would be terrible. I would almost rather have Sanders win outright than have a mainstream candidate win in a contested convention. The Sandernistas would probably all vote Trump if that happened.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The polls are so tight, that even if Bernie loses SC and Southern states, it will be narrowly,  it will allow Bernie to continue on and win the important states IL, NY and MI. But Bernie has to win FL, that is where the delegates are and where he can claim victory over Biden with the heavy Jewish population.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

The polls are so tight, that even if Bernie loses SC and Southern states, it will be narrowly,  it will allow Bernie to continue on and win the important states IL, NY and MI. But Bernie has to win FL, that is where the delegates are and where he can claim victory over Biden with the heavy Jewish population.

As far as the south goes, I think he's got better luck in Texas & North Carolina than Florida.

Competitive performances in both states (Particularly Texas) can mitigate any damage he's bound to receive in Florida

[NOVA Green]

No Democratic candidate managed to win >30% of the vote in IA or NH in 2020. The last time this happened for either party was in the 1996 Republican primaries, when Bob Dole won IA with 26% and Pat Buchanan won NH with 27%. The last time no Democratic candidate won >30% of the vote in IA or NH was in 1976, when Carter won IA with 28% of the vote (he actually won fewer votes than "uncommitted") and NH with 29%.

Seems like we could be in for a wild primary.

Interesting that Dole won Iowa and Buchanan won New Hampshire rather than the other way around given Iowa's streak of favoring the most religious right-friendly candidate in the Republican caucus in the twenty-first century.

Buchanan also went heavily on the protectionism angle, which helped in New Hampshire.

Good point.... as an Oregonian whose job is directly impacted by "Free Trade" Agreements, it does play pretty well in Downstate Oregon....

Not a Trumpista fan at all, but some of my Middle-aged fellow workers, is def an argument they will make in the smoking areas and break-rooms, when it comes to how we have been screwed over by the policies of MNCs and Wall Street as "pawns in their game"....

Only reason they haven't shut our Fortune 50 Factory down is that the cost of Capital Investment for world class cleanrooms is much more expensive than building similar factories overseas. Additionally, we have some of the best Engineers for the Product Lines we are producing, and although "Voluntary Early Retirement" just recently hit, a huge % of the workers at the factory are barely making beyond prevailing wages for the sector in a region where the cost of living has shot through the roof.

Feel bad as a Middle-aged dude with a Wife where we are barely scraping by on our $1k/Month rent, while meanwhile I have employees and fellow workers getting paid $11.50/Hr with no hope and no future....

(youtube)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIlUvEOhFos(/youtube)

Doesn't matter if you are some kid that I worked on the Factory line with a few Years back (Some Young Millennial).... doesn't matter if you were from a working class background line me that became mgmt for awhile and then "fell from the Grace of God".

Our Timber mills and Pulp mills got shut down as a direct result of MNC Forest relocations and pitted the loggers, mill workers, and environmentalists against each other, while meanwhile the big Timber Companies have shifted to the SE of America and the largest are destroying Old Growth Forests in Siberia....

Now as a man in my mid 40's see Drug Addiction, homelessness, suicide, jump through the roof....

Small town Oregon is not the only place where many folks feel that there is no hope and no future...

Crystal Meth is so common, that we know who our friends and neighbors are.... after all in place like this how many people have never smoked the pipe???

Suburban scumbags they don't care... just get fat and dye their hair.

Drug overdoses are not unknown from Junk or Speedballs...

DEM PRES candidates get it on Drug Policy and "No Future", but Trump is speaking to the "Grandparents", while we are the parents, friends, family, and co-workers that have seen the absolute collapse of our entire social structure at the hands of the greedy bastards...

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Back in 1996, around the time of this year’s Nevada caucuses, Steve Forbes won consecutive Republican primaries in Delaware and Arizona, after failing to hit 15% in either Iowa or New Hampshire.  Bob Dole came back to win SC a few days later and the proceeded to win every single primary election after that.

I definitely remember that campaign as I was in high school at the time.  But I have no recollection of how Forbes pulled that off apparently out of the blue.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

[Queen Isuelt]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Everyone knows Bernie. This is the problem with 100% name recognition. Nothing to discuss or talk about. Most people have made up their minds on him and not going to change.

The voters in swing districts aren’t voting for Bernie sanders. Bernie needs to expand his policies.

[T'Chenka]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Pathetic but not AT ALL surprising.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Everyone knows Bernie. This is the problem with 100% name recognition. Nothing to discuss or talk about. Most people have made up their minds on him and not going to change.

The voters in swing districts aren’t voting for Bernie sanders. Bernie needs to expand his policies.

Funny enough, right after I posted that, they started talking about Warren & Biden's dimming chances. Still no mentions of Bernie though.

Also, weren't you supposed to leave Atlas?

[Meclazine for Israel]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Given that Bernie was meant to wipe the floor 6-0 6-0 6-0, the fact that Pete and Amy got on the board and were competitive is the actual news story worth listening to.

It could be the start of the Pete and Amy show.

Pete appealed to uneducated white women between 40-64 who earnt $120,000-$200,000 per annum.

Amy appealed to highly educated people.

Sanders appeared to the socialists.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Pete appealed to uneducated white women between 40-64 who earnt $120,000-$200,000 per annum.

Amy appealed to highly educated people.

Sanders appeared to the socialists.

[T'Chenka]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Given that Bernie was meant to wipe the floor 6-0 6-0 6-0, the fact that Pete and Amy got on the board and were competitive is the actual news story worth listening too.

It could be the start of the Pete and Amy show.

Pete appealed to uneducated white women between 40-64 who earnt $120,000-$200,000 per annum.

Amy appealed to highly educated people.

Sanders appeared to the socialists.

I'm cringing thinking about Buttigieg and Klobuchar being the last two Dems standing and doing 1 vs 1 debates full of fake and scripted answers all night.

[Adam Griffin]

Democrats' new focus: "uneducated white women between 40-64 who make $200k per year"!

[Sir Mohamed]

Looks like Biden and Warren are done. For Warren, there is no path left how she can win this. Sanders is undoubtedly the progressive standard bearer in this race. If moderates want to beat him, they should soon get behind a single candidate.

Biden should get out now. He is out of money, has a weak groundgame and no excitement. For this reason, I'm glad we have this primary process, that exposed his weakness. We can't go against Trump like this. His support has always been soft and lack of excitement is leading to such disastrous IA and NH results. Yes, I know, he wasn't supposed to win them, but 4th and 5th? Nah, this isn't happening anymore. I think Biden has been talked into running and decided to jump in after polls showed him ahead of Dems and Trump. This was basically Obama nostalgia and high name rec. Now that voters have seen him in action on his own, without Obama, they have concluded other candidates are better. And it's not even progressives, since moderate support goes to Butti and Klobuchar. Once Bloomberg is in, Biden has even fewer chances. He was an excellent VP and senator, but it's time to drop out now and end this embarrasment for him. It's sad it ends like this for him.

[NOVA Green]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Given that Bernie was meant to wipe the floor 6-0 6-0 6-0, the fact that Pete and Amy got on the board and were competitive is the actual news story worth listening too.

It could be the start of the Pete and Amy show.

Pete appealed to uneducated white women between 40-64 who earnt $120,000-$200,000 per annum.

Amy appealed to highly educated people.

Sanders appeared to the socialists.

Apparently your knowledge of  American Politics is a superficial tapestry of your own perspectives with little background nor understanding of the subtleties of American Politics, let alone the Great State of NH.

Sip your fine Irish or Canadian Whiskey early in the Morning, but it appears you need a bit more coffee and follow up on the numbers and the past 60 pages of posts, rather than a knee-jerk comment and reaction that is virtually a non-sequitur compared to those of us following it in real time....

Not a hater, but re-threading old talking points and playing the expectation games doesn't count for much, especially when you are so late to the party....

Bernie may well have won the Irish-American vote in NH fwiw, and we have similar precincts in Australia as well....

[John Dule]

I'm cringing thinking about Buttigieg and Klobuchar being the last two Dems standing and doing 1 vs 1 debates full of fake and scripted answers all night.

"Mr. Buttigieg, the first question is for you. As president, how would you address the issue of the national debt, and would you take steps to pay the debt down?"

"That's a great question, Judy. Thank you for asking it. I'm honored to be here in [name of city] to talk directly to the American people about the big issues that are facing us today. It's going to be a lot of Hard Work™, but I believe that if we work together, no challenge is too big for the American people. This is a country that dreams big and backs those dreams up with hard work and determination. But at the same time, we have to remember that we don't need to reinvent the wheel-- we don't want to change the many things that make this country great. In my town of South Bend™, the saying goes 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' Flash boyish grin These are the kinds of Small-Town Midwestern Heartland Values™ that we should have in our government-- the idea that hard work should pay off, that Rome wasn't built in a day, that the people who built this country with the sweat off their backs and their own two hands should have a say in what goes on around here. Nobody ever said this would be easy, but with your help, we can finally bring about the change we know we deserve. Thank you and may God bless the United States of America™."

"Senator Klobuchar, your response?"

"This reminds me of a hilarious joke from my uncle's email chain last month. What do Midwesterners call a small can of pop? A Minne-sota! Get it you guys?!"

crickets

[Statilius the Epicurean]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Everyone knows Bernie. This is the problem with 100% name recognition. Nothing to discuss or talk about. Most people have made up their minds on him and not going to change.

The voters in swing districts aren’t voting for Bernie sanders. Bernie needs to expand his policies.

Yes, 100% name recognition is why the media never talks about Trump. No story there anymore since everyone knows him.

[Skye]

So... when can we expect 100% of the precincts?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

MSNBC has been talking about nothing but Buttigieg & Klobuchar for the last 30 minutes. If it wasn't for the graphic showing Bernie as the winner, you'd think he wasn't even on the ballot

Given that Bernie was meant to wipe the floor 6-0 6-0 6-0, the fact that Pete and Amy got on the board and were competitive is the actual news story worth listening too.

It could be the start of the Pete and Amy show.

Pete appealed to uneducated white women between 40-64 who earnt $120,000-$200,000 per annum.

Amy appealed to highly educated people.

Sanders appeared to the socialists.

Uneducated white women aged 40-64 making six figures?

Assuming uneducated means that they didn't get a college degree, how many of these women do you think there are?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I feel confident that Bloomberg after SC is gonna take more votes away from Biden than Bernie. The reverse of Warren on Bernie; consequently, this will enable Bernie to win TX, VA, on ST

[Meclazine for Israel]

Democrats' new focus: "uneducated white women between 40-64 who make $200k per year"!

Apparently, Pete warms their heart with those innocent 'school-boy' looks. They can't get enough of him.

[Bumaye]

So it’s Bernie vs. two centrists and an Oligarch. While I'm not happy about the relatively small margin in NH I have to say it’s a good result overall going forward.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Morning, y'all!

With around 90-95% of the vote counted in New Hampshire, I've added where things stand right now to my quick reference guide that I posted yesterday morning:  

2020:

Democratic Primary



Bernie Sanders: 71,759 votes (25.7%)
Pete Buttigieg: 68,141 votes (24.4%)
Amy Klobuchar:  55,164 votes (19.8%)
Elizabeth Warren:  25,899 votes (9.29%)
Joe Biden: 23,475 votes (8.42%)
Other: 34,402 votes (12.3%)

Total votes:  278,804

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2016:

Democratic Primary



Bernie Sanders: 152,193 votes (60.14%) -- 15.0 delegates
Hilllary Clinton: 95,355 votes (37.68%) -- 9.0 delegates
Other:  4,514 votes (2.15%) -- 0.0 delegates

Total votes:  252,062

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2008:

Democratic Primary



Hillary Clinton: 112,404 votes (39.1%) -- 9.0 delegates
Barack Obama: 104,815 votes (36.5%) -- 9.0 delegates
John Edwards:  48,699 votes (16.9%) -- 4.0 delegates
Other: 19,609 votes (7.2%) -- 0.0 delegates


Total votes:  287,527

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And for further reference, here are the turnout totals from the GOP Primaries in 2016, 2012, and 2008:  

2016 New Hampshire Republican Primary: 285,916

2012 New Hampshire Republican Primary: 248,475

2008 New Hampshire Republican Primary: 234,851