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« Reply #2800 on: February 05, 2020, 12:50:28 PM »

This is like real life House of Cards. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a vice style movie or show about this caucus.
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« Reply #2801 on: February 05, 2020, 12:55:05 PM »

Wouldnt it be funny after a week of Buttigieg posing as the winner, Sanders actually won. But people only remember Buttigieg winning Iowa.
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« Reply #2802 on: February 05, 2020, 12:55:30 PM »

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« Reply #2803 on: February 05, 2020, 12:55:49 PM »

This is like real life House of Cards. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a vice style movie or show about this caucus.

I imagine it'll make for a great Drunk History episode a few years down the road.
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« Reply #2804 on: February 05, 2020, 12:55:57 PM »

This is like real life House of Cards. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a vice style movie or show about this caucus.

This feels less House of Cards and more VEEP.
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« Reply #2805 on: February 05, 2020, 12:58:26 PM »

They took the Bernie Sanders cards and did this:
Buttigieg Pernite Sanders
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« Reply #2806 on: February 05, 2020, 01:00:21 PM »



This shirt really isn't that impressive anymore.
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« Reply #2807 on: February 05, 2020, 01:02:11 PM »

Because of the 15% threshold for viability by CD, is is very possible in almost any Dem primary for one candidate to win the most votes but another candidate to win more delegates.  In this case, which candidate is “declared” the winner?  Why should Iowa be any different?

(For the record, I don’t support either Bernie or Pete.)

The problem is that Iowa is being treated differently. I can't think of another example in a different state where popular vote isn't the metric by which winning is measured. It's hard to find any examples of vote-delegate splits because they are fairly infrequent, but Clinton's success in Iowa wasn't talked about as a 2 delegate win and her later win in Nevada wasn't seen as the 57%-43% blowout that the delegates showed but rather the much more narrow 5 point victory of the popular vote.

Second, the discussion around Iowa is not one of delegates, but rather delegate equivalents. If the delegates were really the important part of the process, they'd be focusing on the 41 of them that will carry to the convention, not the hundreds that will show up to later select the 41.

And all of this comes on the caveat that Iowa has not yet been called. Sure, Sanders leads the votes and Buttigieg leads the SDEs, but there is still a substantial chance that either of the candidates wins either of those counts. None of the major news outlets have yet called the race for anyone.
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« Reply #2808 on: February 05, 2020, 01:12:03 PM »
« Edited: February 05, 2020, 01:23:57 PM by Gass3268 »

Main reason why Pete is winning the SDEs:

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« Reply #2809 on: February 05, 2020, 01:46:06 PM »

Main reason why Pete is winning the SDEs:



Pete went into every nook and cranny of this state and said, here's how this area works, let's come up with a strategy to win it.  He had huge fundraising numbers and appeal across every significant demographic group in the state.

It's a very impressive performance and shows why Pete would have been a good DNC party chair.  Certainly much better than Perez or (shudder) Ellison.
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« Reply #2810 on: February 05, 2020, 01:48:23 PM »

Because of the 15% threshold for viability by CD, is is very possible in almost any Dem primary for one candidate to win the most votes but another candidate to win more delegates.  In this case, which candidate is “declared” the winner?  Why should Iowa be any different?

(For the record, I don’t support either Bernie or Pete.)

The problem is that Iowa is being treated differently. I can't think of another example in a different state where popular vote isn't the metric by which winning is measured. It's hard to find any examples of vote-delegate splits because they are fairly infrequent, but Clinton's success in Iowa wasn't talked about as a 2 delegate win and her later win in Nevada wasn't seen as the 57%-43% blowout that the delegates showed but rather the much more narrow 5 point victory of the popular vote.

Second, the discussion around Iowa is not one of delegates, but rather delegate equivalents. If the delegates were really the important part of the process, they'd be focusing on the 41 of them that will carry to the convention, not the hundreds that will show up to later select the 41.

And all of this comes on the caveat that Iowa has not yet been called. Sure, Sanders leads the votes and Buttigieg leads the SDEs, but there is still a substantial chance that either of the candidates wins either of those counts. None of the major news outlets have yet called the race for anyone.

I totally agree with you! The big thing I see though is that, if the current results hold, is going to be such a muddled message between Bernie/Buttigieg and the "who really won?" factor is just going to incredibly diminish the influence of this caucus.
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« Reply #2811 on: February 05, 2020, 01:51:15 PM »

Caucuses need to be outlawed.
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« Reply #2812 on: February 05, 2020, 01:53:06 PM »


Thankfully Nevada is the only "real" caucus left.
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« Reply #2813 on: February 05, 2020, 01:54:34 PM »

When all the results finally come in, the true winner of the caucus will be the friends we made along the way.
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« Reply #2814 on: February 05, 2020, 01:58:35 PM »

When all the results finally come in, the true winner of the caucus will be the friends we made along the way.

Well this is a raw f--king deal, I still don't have any friends.
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« Reply #2815 on: February 05, 2020, 01:59:56 PM »

This is like real life House of Cards. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a vice style movie or show about this caucus.

This feels less House of Cards and more VEEP.

The last four years have felt like Veep.
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« Reply #2816 on: February 05, 2020, 02:02:56 PM »


Thankfully Nevada is the only "real" caucus left.

Nevada needs to be outlawed.
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« Reply #2817 on: February 05, 2020, 02:03:56 PM »

When all the results finally come in, the true winner of the caucus will be the friends we made along the way.

Honestly, I think we all lost more friends than we gained in this messy process.
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« Reply #2818 on: February 05, 2020, 02:16:50 PM »

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« Reply #2819 on: February 05, 2020, 02:19:17 PM »



The results stayed the same, though...
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« Reply #2820 on: February 05, 2020, 02:19:47 PM »



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« Reply #2821 on: February 05, 2020, 02:22:59 PM »

Can't find raw numbers but change in %

Buttigieg: 26.8% -> 26.9%
Sanders: 25.2% -> 25.2%
Warren: 18.4% -> 18.2%
Biden: 15.4% -> 15.6%
Klobuchar: 12.6% -> 12.5%
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« Reply #2822 on: February 05, 2020, 02:24:48 PM »

Can't find raw numbers but change in %

Buttigieg: 26.8% -> 26.9%
Sanders: 25.2% -> 25.2%
Warren: 18.4% -> 18.2%
Biden: 15.4% -> 15.6%
Klobuchar: 12.6% -> 12.5%

Blast! Biden went up.
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« Reply #2823 on: February 05, 2020, 02:24:59 PM »

Biden got a national delegate back.

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« Reply #2824 on: February 05, 2020, 02:27:05 PM »

Can't find raw numbers but change in %

Buttigieg: 26.8% -> 26.9%
Sanders: 25.2% -> 25.2%
Warren: 18.4% -> 18.2%
Biden: 15.4% -> 15.6%
Klobuchar: 12.6% -> 12.5%

Blast! Biden went up.

Bidominating.
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