Which of these comments is worse?

[A18]

"Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions, blacks would sit in segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of government, and the doors of the federal courts would be shut on the fingers of million of citizens." -- Ted Kennedy, 1987

"Perhaps Prof. Liu put it best, of the Berkeley law school, when he wrote this: He said, Judge Alito's record envisions an America where police may shoot and kill an unarmed boy to stop him from running away with a stolen purse; where federal agents point guns at ordinary citizens during a raid, even after no sign of resistance; where the FBI may install a camera where you sleep on the promise that they won't turn it on unless the informant is in the room; where a black man may be sentenced to death by an all-white jury for killing a white man absent any kind of multiple regression analysis or other analysis of potential discrimination; and where police may search--I paraphrased that last sentence; it reads precisely 'absent a multiple regression analysis showing discrimination'--and where police may search what a warrant, may search and define what a warrant permits and then some. This is not the America we know, he says, nor is it the America we aspire to be." -- John Kerry, 2006

[A18]

As bad as Kennedy's lie was, Kerry's is even dumber. What a clown.

[angus]

Measured in column-inches, Kerry's is much worse.  I make it two-to-one.  Kerry's not really known for brevity.  Kennedy at least had the sense to stay away from erudite phrases such as "absent a multiple regression analysis"  I say, when you're playing up bigotries and going for simple-minded stereotyping, brevity is probably best.  The soul of wit.

Ah sh**t!  I had some kind of neural aneurism or something.  voted Kennedy.  Meant to vote Kerry.

[A18]

There's a "Remove Vote" link to the right of the results.

[The Duke]

Kennedy's was worse because it was effective.  Kerry's rambles a bit.  Yeah I was shocked by the "multiple regression analysis" bit, too.  He is just unable to communicate, and its obvious when you see the quotes next to each other that Kerry was trying to copy Kennedy, but just fails.

[© tweed]

"Perhaps Prof. Liu put it best, of the Berkeley law school, when he wrote this: He said, Judge Alito's record envisions an America where police may shoot and kill an unarmed boy to stop him from running away with a stolen purse; where federal agents point guns at ordinary citizens during a raid, even after no sign of resistance; where the FBI may install a camera where you sleep on the promise that they won't turn it on unless the informant is in the room; where a black man may be sentenced to death by an all-white jury for killing a white man absent any kind of multiple regression analysis or other analysis of potential discrimination; and where police may search--I paraphrased that last sentence; it reads precisely 'absent a multiple regression analysis showing discrimination'--and where police may search what a warrant, may search and define what a warrant permits and then some. This is not the America we know, he says, nor is it the America we aspire to be."

That reads like a migrendel quote.

[dazzleman]

"Perhaps Prof. Liu put it best, of the Berkeley law school, when he wrote this: He said, Judge Alito's record envisions an America where police may shoot and kill an unarmed boy to stop him from running away with a stolen purse; where federal agents point guns at ordinary citizens during a raid, even after no sign of resistance; where the FBI may install a camera where you sleep on the promise that they won't turn it on unless the informant is in the room; where a black man may be sentenced to death by an all-white jury for killing a white man absent any kind of multiple regression analysis or other analysis of potential discrimination; and where police may search--I paraphrased that last sentence; it reads precisely 'absent a multiple regression analysis showing discrimination'--and where police may search what a warrant, may search and define what a warrant permits and then some. This is not the America we know, he says, nor is it the America we aspire to be."

That reads like a migrendel quote.

Maybe migrendel really is John Kerry.  He says he's from a wealthy and prominent Massachusetts family.  Doesn't that at least loosely fit Kerry?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Both are great and totally accurate.

[A18]

"Perhaps Prof. Liu put it best, of the Berkeley law school, when he wrote this: He said, Judge Alito's record envisions an America where police may shoot and kill an unarmed boy to stop him from running away with a stolen purse; where federal agents point guns at ordinary citizens during a raid, even after no sign of resistance; where the FBI may install a camera where you sleep on the promise that they won't turn it on unless the informant is in the room; where a black man may be sentenced to death by an all-white jury for killing a white man absent any kind of multiple regression analysis or other analysis of potential discrimination; and where police may search--I paraphrased that last sentence; it reads precisely 'absent a multiple regression analysis showing discrimination'--and where police may search what a warrant, may search and define what a warrant permits and then some. This is not the America we know, he says, nor is it the America we aspire to be."

That reads like a migrendel quote.

It kind of does, yeah.

[angus]

That reads like a migrendel quote.

   oh, snap.  it sure does.  nice, boss tweed. 

[Platypus]

Both are great and totally accurate.

ugh

[bgwah]

Both are 100% true. Republicans are sick and twisted people with nothing but the destruction of America on their minds.

However, Kennedy's is short and to the point, while Kerry just rants, so Kerry's is worse.

[opebo]

Both are great and totally accurate.

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[TeePee4Prez]

Both are great and totally accurate.

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[dazzleman]

Both are great and totally accurate.

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Flyers, you really degrade yourself when you climb into bed with that guy.

Do you really believe that a man like Bork would have brought back segregation and condoned rogue police breaking down innocent people's doors late at night?  You don't have to agree with all Bork's views, but that comment by Kennedy was one of the most disgusting political comments made in a generation.  Let's not forget that it was Kennedy's party, not the Republicans, who supported segregation in any case. 

And I'll add something else -- refusal to fund something doesn't amount to censorship.  Not giving certain artists money doesn't mean censoring them; they're still allowed to create and display their artwork if they can find someone else to fund it.  Of course, they usually can't, and that says something.  But I hate the liberal contention that government declining to fund something equates to banning it.  That lays bare a very dangerous part of the liberal mentality.

As far as the Alito comments, I love the one about multiple regression analysis.  So now I guess we should apply racial quotas to sentencing.  You realize that if that were ever implemented, your working class white Philadelphia neighborhood would likely be overrun with black criminals.  But hey, if that's what you want, go for it man.

[Virginian87]

However, Kennedy's is short and to the point, while Kerry just rants, so Kerry's is worse.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Not to mention the fact that Ted's quote actually worked in stirring up opposition to Robert Bork.

[opebo]

Do you really believe that a man like Bork would have brought back segregation and condoned rogue police breaking down innocent people's doors late at night?

Obviously.  As you can see on this board, most 'conservatives' are quite steamed that segregation was ever ended.   

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No, it was precisely accurate.  I think it is you who pretend you don't know who you're getting in bed with - the Racist Party.

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That doesn't mean a thing, dazzleman - as you well know, the parties have reversed positions on this issue.  Hence the Republican sucess with the racist Southern Whites.

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That isn't 'dangerous' dazzleman.  Of course in practice in a capitalist society only the rich can speak in any meaningful (heard) way.  And therefore artists, writers, and such must please the owning class in order to be heard/seen.

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Hah, good scheme scaring the white workers into supporting the subjugation of the black workers, dazzleman.  I have to admit it has worked very well for pretty much the entirety of US history.