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  Which three of these six moral dimensions are most important to you?
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Harm/Care
 
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Fairness/Reciprocity
 
#3
Liberty/Oppression
 
#4
Ingroup/Loyalty
 
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Authority/Respect
 
#6
Purity/Sanctity
 
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« on: January 20, 2020, 06:41:07 PM »
« edited: January 20, 2020, 06:52:11 PM by Bolshevik Biden »

Five of these categories - excluding Liberty/Oppression - were used in the Haidt-Graham study that analyzes liberal and conservative approaches to morality.  According to the study, liberals fail to understand conservative moral beliefs because liberal moral intuitions are only based on the first two (Harm/Care and Fairness/Reciprocity).  Therefore, because liberals are "blind" to three of these dimensions, they perceive conservative morality as being self-interested or evil.  This analysis has been criticized, most notably because the authors' own data shows that liberals actually do value all five moral foundations, but prioritize the first two far above the remaining three, whereas conservatives tend to assess them in more equal measures.

Further studies included a sixth category - Liberty/Oppression - in order to accommodate libertarians.  Haidt and Graham found that libertarians and conservatives tend to prioritize this, in addition to Ingroup/Loyalty, Authority/Respect, and Purity/Sanctity, while another researcher argued that liberals tend to emphasize the Care, Fairness and Liberty dimensions; conservatives the Loyalty, Authority and Sanctity dimensions.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 08:06:27 PM »

     I voted liberty, authority, and sanctity. It seems odd on the face of it to choose both liberty and authority, but the important factor for me is whether the authority is just in what it does. Just authorities must be obeyed without reservation, and unjust authorities must be opposed with equal resolution, for the burden upon those with power to do right is a great one. If they do wrong, then the consequences of their wrongdoing are substantial.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 08:17:10 PM »

I think a harm/care standard properly understood is a sufficient basis for morality. All others are either superfluous or downright perverse.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 08:20:55 PM »

Fairness/reciprocity and liberty/oppression are probably enough; harm/care is subsumed in the latter. I voted authority/respect as the third one on the assumption that harm/care would be basically unanimous anyway, though my opinion is distinctly the opposite of what Haidt means (I think it is moral, in the absence of context, to disobey commands given).
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 09:36:35 PM »

Liberty is the only one that matters. All others are latent authoritarianism.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 06:59:53 AM »

First two (which I score highest on in the test) with Harm/care as most important and probably best expressed by Islamic mutuzilite scholars particularly Abd al-Jabbar (tldr)

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 12:57:00 PM »

Authority, Purity, Loyalty in that order. Harm/Loyalty is a toss-up for third.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 02:52:47 PM »

Harm/care, fairness/reciprocity, and purity/sanctity are the ones I really care about. I don't see authority as worthy of deference in itself absent some sort of sacral aspect, and while I value loyalty very highly I try to avoid assessing it in ingroup/outgroup terms and instead see it as a(n especially important) sub-dimension of fairness/reciprocity.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 07:21:15 PM »

 Purity, Authority, and Fairness easily.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 03:56:18 PM »

Liberty,Fairness,care
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2020, 01:16:31 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2020, 02:27:10 AM »


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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2020, 07:41:12 AM »


It said I was closest to being a conservative, but I think that's largely because I differentiate between morality and stupidity.

In general, my liberal political tendencies are driven more by thinking certain policies are smart for society to adopt, not because there is a moral obligation to adopt them.

There was also one question I found vague.
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Julie asks her friends not to fraternize with her ex-boyfriend Jake, since he cheated on her with other women. Three weeks later, Julie's friend Melissa is dating him.

Are we supposed to be evaluating the morality of Julie, Melissa, or both?

Of course, Melissa is being stupid unless she's seeking a non-monogamous relationship.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2020, 12:04:33 PM »



One thing about the test I found curious was that the 'real life' examples tended to test the logic of progressivism rather than than conservativism.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2020, 11:27:50 PM »
« Edited: January 24, 2020, 11:32:21 PM by Tartarus Sauce »

Care, fairness, and liberty are the only dimensions I would consider to hold moral weight in their own right. Loyalty should ideally be contingent upon character or personal duty; defaulting to benefiting the ingroup in every circumstance is one of the main catalysts for harm and unfairness. Blind obedience to authority is the vehicle for some of the most egregious violations of just about every moral dimension, but especially liberty; authority should only be respected when either voluntarily subscribed to or when justification exists for its purview in the absence of a better alternative. I proscribe zero obligation to observing the demands of purity and sanctity; they possess no moral attributes from my perspective and only act as personal preferences. I instinctively consider any imposition of ethical strictures based upon this dimension to be a sham at face value.
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2020, 09:46:18 AM »

Liberty is the only one that matters. All others are latent authoritarianism.

You say this like it's a bad thing. What a pity.
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