If Gore won in 2000, who will be the Presidents up to present day?
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RGM2609
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« on: January 18, 2020, 10:01:51 AM »

Bonus if you add how this TL US looks like and how the elections went
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 02:28:49 PM »

43. Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (Democratic): 2001-2005
44. John McCain / Fred Thompson (Republican): 2005-2013
45. Russ Feingold / Deval Patrick (Democratic): 2013-Incumbent

Defeated Tickets:

2000: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican)
2004: Al Gore / John Kerry* (Democratic)
2008: Hillary Clinton / Evan Bayh (Democratic)
2012: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican)
2016: Paul Ryan / Nikki Haley (Republican)

*= Vice President Lieberman Declined to run for re election as VP and endorsed McCain in 2008. President Gore chose Senator Kerry of Massachusetts to be running mate.

Al Gore has a rocky term in office with the "Dot Com" Recession hitting in early 2001 and the 9/11 attacks hitting later. Gore initially sees a boost in popularity after the attack due to a rally around the flag effect, but it's evaporates by the 2002 midterms due to a weak recovery from the recession and Republican attacks that Gore was soft on terrorists, despite a successful intervention in Afghanistan that took the taliban out of power. Osama Bin Laden would be captured and killed in mid 2003. Due to a weak economic recovery (compared to the 90s), and dissatisfaction with a lack of domestic accomplishments from Gore, and 12 years of Democratic rule, Gore narrowly loses in 2004 to Senator John McCain of Arizona. Despite this, Gore's reputation has improved with time and he is viewed similarly to the President who saw his son get defeated by Gore, George HW Bush.

McCain, despite running as a non partisan maverick governed pretty conservatively in his first two years in office. Notable examples of this, were the McCain tax cuts of 2005 and his attempt to partially privatize social security, his Supreme Court appointments to replace the Late Chief Justice Rehnquist and Sandra Day O'Connor, as well as the partial birth abortion ban in 2006. Thanks to an evenly divided electorate over these moves as well as increased tensions with Iran, Iraq, and North Korea, as well as a troop increase in Afghanistan, the Democrats were able to retake the House and the Senate for the first time since 1994.  The economy, despite high gas prices due to instability in the middle east, stayed relatively strong through 2005 and 2006. McCain then went on to fight a tough re election bid and narrowly defeated Senator and Former First Lady Hillary Clinton, who many expected to win as shaky economic news hit in the weeks before the election.  McCain's second term saw an global economic collapse in March 2009, military action in the Middle East to assist in the removal of Saddam Hussein by the Arab Spring taking place, and international instability as a result. The Democrats would see their best midterm results since 1974 in 2010 and gain supermajorities in congress. They would retake the White House in 2012 with liberal anti war populist Senator Russ Feingold. McCain would leave office unpopular and while many Americans still like and respect him personally, his Presidency, over half a decade after it ended, is still regarded by most as a failure.

President Feingold's first term in office is seen as the most legislatively productive administration since Lyndon Johnson's in the 1960s. Sweeping regulatory reform as well as public works legislation, job retraining programs, as well as Health Care reform were passed from 2013 through 2015. The President also worked to wind down the wars in the Middle East as well as restore our standing with our allies, which took a hit during the McCain and to a lesser extent Gore administrations. The President, with a growing economy and impressive resume was re elected decisively in 2016. However, fatigue started to set in in a second term as the GOP was able to retake the Senate and narrowly retake the House in 2018, leading to gridlock over the last year. Vice President Patrick however faces little in the form of opposition in the fight over the Democratic nomination, while the Republicans have a crowded field that is led by former McCain ambassador to China and current Utah Senator John Huntsman.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2020, 11:08:55 PM »

43. Al Gore (2001-2005)
44. John McCain (2005-2009)
45. Barack Obama (2009-2017)
46. Donald Trump (2017-???)
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 11:13:29 PM »

43. Al Gore (2001-2005)
44. John McCain (2005-2009)
45. Barack Obama (2009-2017)
46. Donald Trump (2017-???)

Honestly, probably this
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2020, 09:13:51 AM »

43. Al Gore (2001-2009)
44. Mike Huckabee (2009-2017)
45. Joe Manchin (2017-???)
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2020, 01:44:21 PM »

January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2009: Albert Arnold Gore/Joesph Lieberman
January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2017: Willard Mitt Romney/William Harrison Frist
January 20, 2017 - incumbent: Barack H. Obama/Tammy Suzane Baldwin


defeated tickets:

2004: John S. McCain/Michael Dale Huckabee
2008: Joseph Lieberman/William Blaine Richardson
2012: Hillary Rodham Clinton/Timothy M. Kaine

2016: William Harrison Frist/Rafael Edward Cruz
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2020, 10:04:46 AM »

2000 U.S. presidential election



✓ Vice President Al Gore (D-TN)/Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT): 292 EVs.; 48.5%
Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)/Former Def. Sec. Richard Cheney (R-WY): 246 EVs.; 47.8%


2004 U.S. presidential election

In the post 9/11 world, a rally around the flag mood reelects Al Gore as prez. Joe Lieberman declines to stand for a 2nd term due to disagreements on foreign policy.



✓ President Al Gore (D-TN)/Senator John Kerry (D-MA): 311 EVs.; 50.5%
Senator John McCain (R-AZ)/Former Governor Tom Ridge (R-PA): 227 EVs.; 46.9%


2008 U.S. presidential election

Fred Thompson becomes the GOP nominee and wins the WH back from Dems after 16 years. As sitting VP, John Kerry becomes the Dem nominee with tooken opposition.



✓ Former Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN)/Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA): 285 EVs.; 49.9%
Vice President John Kerry (D-MA)/Governor Janet Napolitano (D-AZ): 253 EVs.; 47.2%


2012 U.S. presidential election

In one of the closest races, Fred Thompson is reelected as prez. Former VP John Kerry won the primary again after a bitter contest with Hillary Clinton, who didn't run in 2008. But in 2015, Thompson dies in office and makes Mitt Romney prez.



✓ President Fred Thompson (R-TN)/Vice President Mitt Romney (R-MA): 274 EVs.; 48.7%
Former Vice President John Kerry (D-MA)/Senator Mark Warner (D-VA): 264 EVs.; 48.6%


2016 U.S. presidential election

Thompson, who had low approvals during his 2nd term, died in office in 2015 and Mitt Romney became prez. Although Romney had high approvals after getting in, the stagering economy, GOP fatigue and energetic campaign of IL Gov. Barack Obama swept him out of office. Obama, a senator from 2005 to 2011, declined runs in 2008 and 2012 and ran 4 gov instead. In 2016, it was finally his time, after winning a 2nd term as gov in 2014.



✓ Governor Barack Obama (D-IL)/Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA): 304 EVs.; 50.9%
President Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Vice President Nikki Haley (R-SC): 234 EVs.; 47.4%


2020 U.S. presidential election

The GOP's shift to the right rsulted into Ted Cruz' nomination. As the ecomomy was going well and Obama running a strong campaign, he wins reelection by a comfortable margin.



✓ President Barack Obama (D-IL)/Vice President Tim Kaine (D-VA): 341 EVs.; 52.1%
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Senator Rob Portman (R-OH): 197 EVs.; 46.5%
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2020, 12:14:14 PM »

McCain would of ran in 2004 and won. Then the Recession happens in 2007, Mark Warner then becomes Prez for 2 Terms like Obama did. Kasich becomes Prez in 2017
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2020, 02:26:30 PM »

2000: Al Gore defeats George W. Bush 292-246 with Florida going to Gore.

2004: John McCain defeats Al Gore thanks to party fatigue.



300-238

2008: Barack Obama defeats John McCain 379-159 with MT and MO going to Obama.

2012 and 2016 maps are the same as the real world.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2020, 04:39:14 PM »

Not sure why so many are assuming Gore loses in 04. He likely gets the same 9/11 bounce that Bush did to build a base for himself, and if he didn't go into Iraq his approvals would have been even higher in 04. Not saying Gore necessarily would not have, but it is possible, and Bush won anyway even with Iraq. Ultimately the conditions in 04 were favorable for an incumbent.

McCain probably wins in 08 thanks to the recession. It's theoretically possibly he dies in office at some point given the rapid aging of the presidency and we end up with President Palin, who might win a Trump style upset win in 16.

If McCain doesn't die Clinton likely wins in 16 due to party fatigue.
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