White House Considering Massive Expansion of Travel Ban

[Frodo]

White House considering dramatic expansion of travel ban

(...) A different person said the expansion could include several countries that were covered in the first iteration of Trump's ban, but later removed amid rounds of contentious litigation. Iraq, Sudan and Chad, for instance, had originally been affected by the order, which the Supreme Court upheld in a 5-4 vote after the administration released a watered-down version intended to withstand legal scrutiny.

Trump, who had floated a banning all Muslims from entering the country during his 2016 campaign, criticized his Justice Department for the changes, tweeting that DOJ “should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.”

The countries on the proposed expansion list include allies that fall short on certain security measures. The additional restrictions were proposed by Department of Homeland Security officials following a review of security protocols and “identity management” for about 200 countries, according to the person.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Of course Saudi Arabia, as usual, will not be on the list

[OSR stands with Israel]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

[Fight for Trump]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

[OSR stands with Israel]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

[Fight for Trump]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Sharia, like any other legal system, protects life and property. The only difference compared to secular law is that it protects the dignity of Islam as well. Even most Muslims who support Sharia as law do not think it should apply for non-Muslims, which means they at least support a parallel secular legal system.

[OSR stands with Israel]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Sharia, like any other legal system, protects life and property. The only difference compared to secular law is that it protects the dignity of Islam as well. Even most Muslims who support Sharia as law do not think it should apply for non-Muslims, which means they at least support a parallel secular legal system.

The results of this poll is extremely disturbing and people who have these beliefs shouldn't be allowed in this nation

[Fight for Trump]

Correct, it is important to preserve your religion. Christians would be wise to implement similarly strong views against leaving Christianity. (I don't mean not going to church, I mean converting to another faith)

[Hammy]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Sharia, like any other legal system, protects life and property. The only difference compared to secular law is that it protects the dignity of Islam as well. Even most Muslims who support Sharia as law do not think it should apply for non-Muslims, which means they at least support a parallel secular legal system.

The results of this poll is extremely disturbing and people who have these beliefs shouldn't be allowed in this nation

One thing to consider with these polls are often taken in countries with mass surveillance (with US-backed dictatorships in many cases) and many people are likely giving the answer they feel safe giving.

[OSR stands with Israel]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Sharia, like any other legal system, protects life and property. The only difference compared to secular law is that it protects the dignity of Islam as well. Even most Muslims who support Sharia as law do not think it should apply for non-Muslims, which means they at least support a parallel secular legal system.

The results of this poll is extremely disturbing and people who have these beliefs shouldn't be allowed in this nation

One thing to consider with these polls are often taken in countries with mass surveillance (with US-backed dictatorships in many cases) and many people are likely giving the answer they feel safe giving.

I wouldnt support using these polls to do a blanket ban but people who do answer this way to American immigration officers(who would be doing the vetting) should not be allowed to immigrate here and those questions should be asked

[Person Man]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Sharia, like any other legal system, protects life and property. The only difference compared to secular law is that it protects the dignity of Islam as well. Even most Muslims who support Sharia as law do not think it should apply for non-Muslims, which means they at least support a parallel secular legal system.

The results of this poll is extremely disturbing and people who have these beliefs shouldn't be allowed in this nation

One thing to consider with these polls are often taken in countries with mass surveillance (with US-backed dictatorships in many cases) and many people are likely giving the answer they feel safe giving.

I wouldnt support using these polls to do a blanket ban but people who do answer this way to American immigration officers(who would be doing the vetting) should not be allowed to immigrate here and those questions should be asked

They should only be questioned on whether they will follow Federal and State law and not attempt to violently overthrow any governments so they can implement Shariah.

[OSR stands with Israel]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Sharia, like any other legal system, protects life and property. The only difference compared to secular law is that it protects the dignity of Islam as well. Even most Muslims who support Sharia as law do not think it should apply for non-Muslims, which means they at least support a parallel secular legal system.

The results of this poll is extremely disturbing and people who have these beliefs shouldn't be allowed in this nation

One thing to consider with these polls are often taken in countries with mass surveillance (with US-backed dictatorships in many cases) and many people are likely giving the answer they feel safe giving.

I wouldnt support using these polls to do a blanket ban but people who do answer this way to American immigration officers(who would be doing the vetting) should not be allowed to immigrate here and those questions should be asked

They should only be questioned on whether they will follow Federal and State law and not attempt to violently overthrow any governments so they can implement Shariah.

Some questions that should be asked is whether women should have to cover up or not and if they say yes then that should be grounds for denial of visas and certainly green cards .

[Indy Texas]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Should Americans who say The Bible should be held in higher esteem than the Constitution be subject to extra screening when they travel to foreign countries?

[OSR stands with Israel]

What should be done is people in high risk countries should be vetted far more and given tests to find out if they are radical or not. This poll by pew research is scary: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

Supporting Sharia doesn't make you radical.

To support making it mandated by law does make you radical in any definition of the word

Should Americans who say The Bible should be held in higher esteem than the Constitution be subject to extra screening when they travel to foreign countries?

Esteem does not equal law .

[Mr. Morden]

I wouldnt support using these polls to do a blanket ban but people who do answer this way to American immigration officers(who would be doing the vetting) should not be allowed to immigrate here and those questions should be asked

Wait, are we only talking about immigration, or any entry into the country?  Trump's travel ban isn't only about immigration, but also about people coming on tourist visas, etc., no?  Are you saying that even, say, an academic from Egypt attending a conference in the US should be quizzed on his or her views on sharia before being allowed to visit the US for a week?

[OSR stands with Israel]

I wouldnt support using these polls to do a blanket ban but people who do answer this way to American immigration officers(who would be doing the vetting) should not be allowed to immigrate here and those questions should be asked

Wait, are we only talking about immigration, or any entry into the country?  Trump's travel ban isn't only about immigration, but also about people coming on tourist visas, etc., no?  Are you saying that even, say, an academic from Egypt attending a conference in the US should be quizzed on his or her views on sharia before being allowed to visit the US for a week?

no , im just talking about immigration not entry into the country.

[T'Chenka]

America FIRST.

[Mr. Morden]

I wouldnt support using these polls to do a blanket ban but people who do answer this way to American immigration officers(who would be doing the vetting) should not be allowed to immigrate here and those questions should be asked

Wait, are we only talking about immigration, or any entry into the country?  Trump's travel ban isn't only about immigration, but also about people coming on tourist visas, etc., no?  Are you saying that even, say, an academic from Egypt attending a conference in the US should be quizzed on his or her views on sharia before being allowed to visit the US for a week?

no , im just talking about immigration not entry into the country.

Well, your earlier posts in this thread didn't make that very clear:

So anyone who believes in these things should not be allowed in this country

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-imposes-new-travel-restrictions-on-six-countries-11580500874
Trump Administration Imposes New Travel Restrictions on Six Countries
Citizens from Nigeria, Eritrea, Myanmar and Kyrgyzstan won’t be allowed to apply for visas to immigrate to U.S

WASHINGTON—The Trump administration is banning immigration from Nigeria, Africa’s most populous nation, and three other countries in an expansion of its policy blocking travel from seven other nations.

Citizens from Nigeria, Eritrea, Myanmar and Kyrgyzstan won’t be allowed to apply for visas to immigrate to the U.S. under the policy, which the Trump administration said was designed to tighten security for countries that don’t comply with the U.S. minimum security standards or cooperate to prevent illegal immigration.

Two other countries, Sudan and Tanzania, will be barred from participating in the diversity visa lottery, which randomly awards green cards to 50,000 immigrants from underrepresented countries annually. Many of the recipients are from African countries.

The six countries will join a list of seven nations, most of them Muslim-majority, that faced significant travel restrictions under President Trump’s original travel ban, issued in 2017.

That order was the administration’s third attempt to craft a legally workable policy fleshing out one of Mr. Trump’s top campaign promises, after the first two versions were met with significant criticism and struck down by federal courts.

However, unlike five of those original countries—Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen—travelers from the newly added nations who seek to visit the U.S. for business or pleasure will still be permitted entry.

[dead0man]

wait wait wait.....I was told Trump already did a "Muslim ban"....how can that be?

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

This is one weird thread.

[Progressive Pessimist]

What was once a Muslim ban is now becoming a whoever-we-don't-like-ban that will probably encompass most of the world soon enough. Sure, right now, most of those countries in the ban are from Asia and Africa, but they also threw in Belarus, so it's all good!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

wait wait wait.....I was told Trump already did a "Muslim ban"....how can that be?

I never referred to it as such and considered it a bad name. This is a good example of why. Kyrgyzstan is the only Muslim-majority country covered.

It's also a pretty damn bizarre and random list.

[cinyc]

wait wait wait.....I was told Trump already did a "Muslim ban"....how can that be?

I never referred to it as such and considered it a bad name. This is a good example of why. Kyrgyzstan is the only Muslim-majority country covered.

It's also a pretty damn bizarre and random list.

It's neither bizarre nor random.  All of the new countries on the list either fail "information-sharing requirements related to terrorism or did not have updated passport systems," according to the New York Times.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Which will be rubber-stamped by SCOTUS.