🇦🇹 Austrian Elections & Politics 6.0 - Upper Austria election: 26 Sept. 2021

[Tender Branson]

So the SPO slightly improved on their last Vienna result but drop a seat - how does that work?

I think you are mixing up the Bundesrat drop with the Vienna city council gain ...

That's a drop of 1 seat in the Austrian Bundesrat, the chamber representing the 9 states. I think the SPÖ lost one seat, because Vienna has 11 of the 61 seats in that chamber and with NEOS getting in, it was impossible for the SPÖ to keep 6 seats - even though they improved their percentage in the election.

In the Vienna city council (100 seats), they gained seats:

[Former President tack50]

Women in Vienna between the ages of 16-29 voted:

36% Green
36% SPÖ
11% Beer/Left/SÖZ (all 3 are leftist parties, even Beer)
  9% NEOS
  5% ÖVP
  3% FPÖ
  1% Strache

Wtf I love young Austrian women in Vienna  now

[Tender Branson]

Women in Vienna between the ages of 16-29 voted:

36% Green
36% SPÖ
11% Beer/Left/SÖZ (all 3 are leftist parties, even Beer)
  9% NEOS
  5% ÖVP
  3% FPÖ
  1% Strache

Wtf I love young Austrian women in Vienna now

Yes, who doesn't ?

They are overwhelmingly represented here:



If you want to meet one, go there - on a Friday.

[Tender Branson]

Vienna Mayor Michael Ludwig (SPÖ) announced he will start coalition talks with ÖVP, Greens and NEOS next week (he ruled out the FPÖ long before already).

He wants the new coalition to be ready in ca. 1 month.

[CumbrianLefty]

So the SPO slightly improved on their last Vienna result but drop a seat - how does that work?

I think you are mixing up the Bundesrat drop with the Vienna city council gain ...

That's a drop of 1 seat in the Austrian Bundesrat, the chamber representing the 9 states. I think the SPÖ lost one seat, because Vienna has 11 of the 61 seats in that chamber and with NEOS getting in, it was impossible for the SPÖ to keep 6 seats - even though they improved their percentage in the election.

In the Vienna city council (100 seats), they gained seats:

I was actually referring to the Bundesrat business, thanks for the explanation

[Tender Branson]

After the election, Vienna voters are shifting more and more towards a social-liberal SPÖ-NEOS coalition to replace 10 years of Red-Green.

New „Heute“ poll:

https://www.heute.at/s/heute-umfrage-wiener-am-ehesten-fuer-rot-pink-100107570

[Filuwaúrdjan]

[Tender Branson]

Vienna mayor Michael Ludwig has announced that he and his SPÖ will talk with NEOS first (on Monday), then with the Greens (Tuesday) and finally with the ÖVP on Wednesday.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/sondierungen-starten-speeddating-mit-michael-ludwig/401068098

[Tender Branson]

New „Unique Research“ poll for Profil magazine:

40% ÖVP
22% SPÖ
13% Greens
13% FPÖ
  9% NEOS
  3% Others

https://www.profil.at/oesterreich/umfrage-spoe-legt-im-bund-zu-gruene-verlieren-und-sind-mit-fpoe-gleichauf/401068350

Unique Research had the best Vienna poll btw ...

[Tender Branson]

The Vienna election will be certified tomorrow.

Let’s see what the first round of exploration talks between SPÖ and NEOS will bring today.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Curious: why would they choose NEOS over the Greens?

[Tender Branson]

Curious: why would they choose NEOS over the Greens?

In a sense, the Vienna-NEOS are some kind of new, modern, urban ÖVP.

And after 10 years of SPÖ-Green, this coalition is kinda worn out by now and the Greens are often too activist in the coalition, creating controversial headlines aimed at cuddling their hipster base, instead of harmony.

The SPÖ might try something new: NEOS has enormous reform potential, but often not in the naive way some Greens prefer it (integration of foreigners). They are also more willing to tackle political Islam than the Greens are. NEOS is also half the size of the Greens, therefore they’ll only get 1 seat in the new city government, not 2 like the Greens would. And NEOS would not get the important traffic portfolio, which the Greens had and which they’d demand again.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Is the dark grey spot right in the middle of Vienna the neighbourhood where all the turbocharged upper BouRgeOisiE whose housing is worth seven digits lives?

[Tender Branson]

Is the dark grey spot right in the middle of Vienna the neighbourhood where all the turbocharged upper BouRgeOisiE whose housing is worth seven digits lives?

It’s where they work or where their offices and expensive shops are.

It’s Vienna’s 1st district, where parliament and the stock exchange is.

Similar to the City of London.

The wealthy bourgeoisie is living in the 3 western districts, those coloured more darkly for ÖVP and NEOS.

[Tender Branson]

You can also clearly see that Beer hurt the FPÖ & Strache, by attracting protest votes.

(Which is ironic, because Beer is a leftist party - despite joking around all day. They constantly attacked and ridiculed the FPÖ and Strache.)

[palandio]

Is the dark grey spot right in the middle of Vienna the neighbourhood where all the turbocharged upper BouRgeOisiE whose housing is worth seven digits lives?

It’s where they work or where their offices and expensive shops are.

It’s Vienna’s 1st district, where parliament and the stock exchange is.

Similar to the City of London.

The wealthy bourgeoisie is living in the 3 western districts, those coloured more darkly for ÖVP and NEOS.

But who are the voters that turn Vienna's 1st district into the ÖVP's strongest place in all of Vienna?

Is it stockbrokers and other yuppies?

Is it the long-established bourgeoisie? (The 1st district has been an ÖVP stronghold in Red Vienna for decades!)

Is it a mix of both? Or other groups? Who are these voters?

[Tender Branson]

Is the dark grey spot right in the middle of Vienna the neighbourhood where all the turbocharged upper BouRgeOisiE whose housing is worth seven digits lives?

It’s where they work or where their offices and expensive shops are.

It’s Vienna’s 1st district, where parliament and the stock exchange is.

Similar to the City of London.

The wealthy bourgeoisie is living in the 3 western districts, those coloured more darkly for ÖVP and NEOS.

But who are the voters that turn Vienna's 1st district into the ÖVP's strongest place in all of Vienna?

Is it stockbrokers and other yuppies?

Is it the long-established bourgeoisie? (The 1st district has been an ÖVP stronghold in Red Vienna for decades!)

Is it a mix of both? Or other groups? Who are these voters?

The 1st District only has a population of 15.000, out of 2 million in the city.

It's likely that some owners of property there also have their main residence there, for example the owners of restaurants - but have their fancy mansions in the western districts as a secondary residence. Which means they would be eligible to vote in the 1st district. Other than business owners, there's a lot of older people from the arts and culture living there who made a career (prices are pretty high in the 1st), politicians and diplomats etc.

The "regular" folk lives elsewhere. The Bobos/Hipsters in the districts to the SW of the Inner City, the working class in the South and North and the Wealthy or Upper Middle Class in the West (Vienna doesn't really have an "East").

[Tender Branson]

The Vienna election will be certified tomorrow.

Let’s see what the first round of exploration talks between SPÖ and NEOS will bring today.

The first SPÖ-NEOS talks were „very constructive“:

https://wien.orf.at/stories/3072033/

They lasted for 4 hours, rather than the 3 that were scheduled.

[Tender Branson]

The Vienna election will be certified tomorrow.

Let’s see what the first round of exploration talks between SPÖ and NEOS will bring today.

The first SPÖ-NEOS talks were „very constructive“:

https://wien.orf.at/stories/3072033/

They lasted for 4 hours, rather than the 3 that were scheduled.

In a future SPÖ-NEOS coalition, it is very likely that NEOS-leader Christoph Wiederkehr will not become city councillor himself.

It is more likely that the first NEOS government member will be a woman, just like here in Salzburg in the ÖVP-Green-NEOS coalition.

Bettina Emmerling, Vienna-NEOS vice-chair, has a lot more experience on various issues such as city traffic, the environment etc:



She was also present at the SPÖ-NEOS negotiations yesterday ...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Is the dark grey spot right in the middle of Vienna the neighbourhood where all the turbocharged upper BouRgeOisiE whose housing is worth seven digits lives?

It’s where they work or where their offices and expensive shops are.

It’s Vienna’s 1st district, where parliament and the stock exchange is.

Similar to the City of London.

The wealthy bourgeoisie is living in the 3 western districts, those coloured more darkly for ÖVP and NEOS.

But who are the voters that turn Vienna's 1st district into the ÖVP's strongest place in all of Vienna?

Is it stockbrokers and other yuppies?

Is it the long-established bourgeoisie? (The 1st district has been an ÖVP stronghold in Red Vienna for decades!)

Is it a mix of both? Or other groups? Who are these voters?

The 1st District only has a population of 15.000, out of 2 million in the city.

It's likely that some owners of property there also have their main residence there, for example the owners of restaurants - but have their fancy mansions in the western districts as a secondary residence. Which means they would be eligible to vote in the 1st district. Other than business owners, there's a lot of older people from the arts and culture living there who made a career (prices are pretty high in the 1st), politicians and diplomats etc.

The "regular" folk lives elsewhere. The Bobos/Hipsters in the districts to the SW of the Inner City, the working class in the South and North and the Wealthy or Upper Middle Class in the West (Vienna doesn't really have an "East").

And historically, we're talking back during the days of the Empire here, it was an aristocratic district, rather than a bourgeois one. If we take London as a point of comparison, it's the equivalent of forming a borough out of The City and the posher parts of the old City of Westminster; Knightsbridge, Mayfair, St James's and so on. And then building a ring-road around it all.

[Tender Branson]

Is the dark grey spot right in the middle of Vienna the neighbourhood where all the turbocharged upper BouRgeOisiE whose housing is worth seven digits lives?

It’s where they work or where their offices and expensive shops are.

It’s Vienna’s 1st district, where parliament and the stock exchange is.

Similar to the City of London.

The wealthy bourgeoisie is living in the 3 western districts, those coloured more darkly for ÖVP and NEOS.

But who are the voters that turn Vienna's 1st district into the ÖVP's strongest place in all of Vienna?

Is it stockbrokers and other yuppies?

Is it the long-established bourgeoisie? (The 1st district has been an ÖVP stronghold in Red Vienna for decades!)

Is it a mix of both? Or other groups? Who are these voters?

The 1st District only has a population of 15.000, out of 2 million in the city.

It's likely that some owners of property there also have their main residence there, for example the owners of restaurants - but have their fancy mansions in the western districts as a secondary residence. Which means they would be eligible to vote in the 1st district. Other than business owners, there's a lot of older people from the arts and culture living there who made a career (prices are pretty high in the 1st), politicians and diplomats etc.

The "regular" folk lives elsewhere. The Bobos/Hipsters in the districts to the SW of the Inner City, the working class in the South and North and the Wealthy or Upper Middle Class in the West (Vienna doesn't really have an "East").

And historically, we're talking back during the days of the Empire here, it was an aristocratic district, rather than a bourgeois one. If we take London as a point of comparison, it's the equivalent of forming a borough out of The City and the posher parts of the old City of Westminster; Knightsbridge, Mayfair, St James's and so on. And then building a ring-road around it all.

Yes, and the 1st District is also much slower to diversify than other districts of Vienna - which have seen an influx of immigrants from all over the World.

The population in the 1st has actually declined a lot over the decades and is pretty stagnant lately, while others are back to their 1900 levels.

While you have people from Africa and the Middle-East and Eastern Europe settle in the 10th and 11th districts and R-5H (where you can still get apartments for 10€ the square meter), you will mostly see upper-middle-class immigrants from Germany, Switzerland or Russia settle in the first, because they can afford to do so (5.000€/squre meter).

And those wealthy immigrants from the EU and Russia etc. are by definition more ÖVP+Green+NEOS voting, instead of SPÖ+FPÖ+Strache ...

[Tender Branson]

One thing that stood out and hasn't been mentioned so far was the result in Simmering, a 105.000 working-class district in the South.

The FPÖ got almost 45% there in 2015 and for the first time they got a "district mayor" in the district elections held on the same day.

Paul Stadler, then the new FPÖ-"mayor" of the district, proved himself to be a popular, non-controversial, down-to-earth guy who started as a plumber, governing like a Social Democrat would.

The FPÖ did still lose a lot there compared to 2015, but still performed much better than elsewhere in the city. In the district council elections, Stadler and his FPÖ there even received 28.4% - far above the 7.8% for the FPÖ Vienna-wide.



https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/simmering-ein-arbeiterbezirk-wird-hip/401044852

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Yes, and the 1st District is also much slower to diversify than other districts of Vienna - which have seen an influx of immigrants from all over the World.

The population in the 1st has actually declined a lot over the decades and is pretty stagnant lately, while others are back to their 1900 levels.

While you have people from Africa and the Middle-East and Eastern Europe settle in the 10th and 11th districts and R-5H (where you can still get apartments for 10€ the square meter), you will mostly see upper-middle-class immigrants from Germany, Switzerland or Russia settle in the first, because they can afford to do so (5.000€/squre meter).

And those wealthy immigrants from the EU and Russia etc. are by definition more ÖVP+Green+NEOS voting, instead of SPÖ+FPÖ+Strache ...

Did you miss some zeroes in the first price you mentioned? You'd be talking about apartments of 100 m² costing less than a small motorcycle lmao

Also, 5000€ per m² sounds pretty low for the poshest and upper-class-est district in all Austria.

[Tender Branson]

Yes, and the 1st District is also much slower to diversify than other districts of Vienna - which have seen an influx of immigrants from all over the World.

The population in the 1st has actually declined a lot over the decades and is pretty stagnant lately, while others are back to their 1900 levels.

While you have people from Africa and the Middle-East and Eastern Europe settle in the 10th and 11th districts and R-5H (where you can still get apartments for 10€ the square meter), you will mostly see upper-middle-class immigrants from Germany, Switzerland or Russia settle in the first, because they can afford to do so (5.000€/squre meter).

And those wealthy immigrants from the EU and Russia etc. are by definition more ÖVP+Green+NEOS voting, instead of SPÖ+FPÖ+Strache ...

Did you miss some zeroes in the first price you mentioned? You'd be talking about apartments of 100 m² costing less than a small motorcycle lmao

Also, 5000€ per m² sounds pretty low for the poshest and upper-class-est district in all Austria.

That’s monthly rent prices, not purchase prices.

You can still rent a 100m² apartment for about 1.000€ per month in some of those residential middle-class districts. Purchase prices: ca. 100.000 to 300.000€.

Vienna remains one of the most affordable cities for working-class families. The prices there are only a handful of what they are in Munich, London or Paris.

On the other hand, you are easily spending a few to several thousand €s a month to rent a same-sized luxury apartment in the inner-city. Purchase prices: 1 million € or more.