Where are these "Bernie Sanders is going to win West Virginia" predictions?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I keep seeing this "claim" getting mocked and people citing things to "debunk" it, yet I have yet to see a single post unironically predicting this. I must been really overlooking something.

Especially as literally not a single user has submitted a prediction showing West Virginia voting Democratic

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Twitter. Just type in "Bernie West Virginia".

[Libertas Vel Mors]

https://twitter.com/GregoryHardinII/status/1177340344440147970?s=20

https://twitter.com/socialiststeve6/status/1187826085800697857?s=20

https://twitter.com/KenyonStray/status/1207290023013425152?s=20

https://twitter.com/AATAstronaut/status/1166078024367951874?s=20

https://twitter.com/nevona/status/1186695198300090373?s=20'

https://twitter.com/GregoryHardinII/status/1174565278769995777?s=20

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Twitter. Just type in "Bernie West Virginia".

These posts "calling out" such predictions are on here, not Twitter.

[Xing]

Twitter. Just type in "Bernie West Virginia".

These posts "calling out" such predictions are on here, not Twitter.

Great point, BRTD.

Anyway, it's just a common rebuttal whenever someone questions the totally proven "moderate=electable" wisdom.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Twitter. Just type in "Bernie West Virginia".

These posts "calling out" such predictions are on here, not Twitter.

Great point, BRTD.

Anyway, it's just a common rebuttal whenever someone questions the totally proven "moderate=electable" wisdom.

What on Earth does this (for example) have to do with that?

There is one thing that ought to sober up Sanders supporters after last night's election.
The claim that economic populism will bring back to the fold those WWC voters who voted for Trump has been irrevocably refuted.
Corbyn proposed the most left-wing economic agenda in a generation that would have benefited the most exactly this kind of people. And yet they rejected him decisively.
For them Brexit and xenophobia were more important that their own pocketbook.

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.

[KaiserDave]

Atlas is not the only website


Stunning I know

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Atlas is not the only website


Stunning I know

Then why not call these people out on sites where they actually exist?

[KaiserDave]

Atlas is not the only website


Stunning I know

Then why not call these people out on sites where they actually exist?

Because some of us prefer the cesspool of Atlas to the deeper cesspool of Twitter.

[HillGoose]

Unless 2020 somehow becomes Manchin vs. Hastert, a Democrat is not winning WV

[Leinad]

It's a strawman. People (such as me) say things like "working class voters are generally more likely to support progressive policy intended to make a broad change instead of centrist liberals saying 'America is already great' or just in general trying to change things as slow as possible if at all." The easiest way to counter that is assume it's "all the working class voters--including racists and hardline socons--will vote for Bernie!" which is obviously dumb and no one thinks that*, which is why lazy arguers respond to that argument.

*I say "no one" but obviously any argument has been unironically used by some idiots on Twitter/Facebook/whatever snapprs or instatoks the kids are on these days. But I don't make a habit of arguing with outliers--that's functionally as bad as a strawman imo.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Atlas is not the only website


Stunning I know

Then why not call these people out on sites where they actually exist?

Because some of us prefer the cesspool of Atlas to the deeper cesspool of Twitter.

If literally not a single person here is predicting Sanders would win West Virginia, isn't trying to prove he wouldn't just a waste of time? What's the point?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Wait, actually, I forgot the best part. The Sanders campaign thinks he can win WV. That's where this all got started.


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/19/bernie-sanders-campaign-2020-1173608


"This month, Ben Tulchin, Sanders’ pollster, circulated a memo about an online survey he conducted in late 2017 for progressives who were hoping to flip state legislative seats in West Virginia. The poll found that Sanders would beat Trump by 2 percentage points in the state — despite the fact that Trump won West Virginia, 69-27, and that no Democratic presidential candidate has carried the state since 1996."


"They’re not just talking about West Virginia. Some in the Sanders camp envision possibly making a play for Iowa, Ohio, and Indiana, as well as states such as Kansas, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Montana — six states that, together, have voted for the Democratic nominee just twice in the past half-century."

So yes, this is serious.

[YE]

That's one statement from the day the campaign was launched. People just love bringing that up because it suits the narrative of muh #populist Bernie Bros want to throw minorities on the bus to try to win WV.

[jamestroll]

No one on Atlas says that.

Though I do believe he could approach 40%. Probably upper 30s.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Atlas is not the only website


Stunning I know

Then why not call these people out on sites where they actually exist?

What kind of mentality is that? These people are a sizable part of Sanders's base. Just because it happens that none of them is an Atlas poster that doesn't mean that we are going to ignore their existence.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Atlas is not the only website


Stunning I know

Then why not call these people out on sites where they actually exist?

What kind of mentality is that? These people are a sizable part of Sanders's base. Just because it happens that none of them is an Atlas poster that doesn't mean that we are going to ignore their existence.

"So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D."

How are we going to "stop that BS" when no one here says that in the first place? Also the use of the plural first person implies it is referring to Atlas.

[Xing]

Twitter. Just type in "Bernie West Virginia".

These posts "calling out" such predictions are on here, not Twitter.

Great point, BRTD.

Anyway, it's just a common rebuttal whenever someone questions the totally proven "moderate=electable" wisdom.

What on Earth does this (for example) have to do with that?

There is one thing that ought to sober up Sanders supporters after last night's election.
The claim that economic populism will bring back to the fold those WWC voters who voted for Trump has been irrevocably refuted.
Corbyn proposed the most left-wing economic agenda in a generation that would have benefited the most exactly this kind of people. And yet they rejected him decisively.
For them Brexit and xenophobia were more important that their own pocketbook.

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.

It's defending the idea that "too far left"=unelectable, and mocking anyone who claims otherwise.

[KaiserDave]

We can refer to "people" without referring to Atlas. Most people don't frequent this place.

[NOVA Green]

Maybe the same type of people that claimed that JFK couldn't win the '60 DEM Primary in WV because he was Catholic...

Maybe the same type of people that claimed that Romney couldn't win WV because he is Mormon.

Okay--- some small jokes aside.   

Although I don't predict that Bernie will come anywhere close to winning WV, he will likely perform much better than any DEM in recent Presidential Elections....

Bernie Sanders needs to become a Senate Co-Sponsor of a key Union initiative to protect the Pension plans of Union Retired Coal Miners, not for political gain, but rather because it is the right thing to do.


http://umwa.org/policy-politics/current-legislation/

[Intell]

Maybe the same type of people that claimed that JFK couldn't win the '60 DEM Primary in WV because he was Catholic...

Maybe the same type of people that claimed that Romney couldn't win WV because he is Mormon.

Okay--- some small jokes aside.   

Although I don't predict that Bernie will come anywhere close to winning WV, he will likely perform much better than any DEM in recent Presidential Elections....

Bernie Sanders needs to become a Senate Co-Sponsor of a key Union initiative to protect the Pension plans of Union Retired Coal Miners, not for political gain, but rather because it is the right thing to do.


http://umwa.org/policy-politics/current-legislation/

He'll do better than Clinton, that's most likely about it.

[TML]

It may not happen immediately, but at least he can lay the groundwork for WV moving back toward the Democrats.

Remember that 2016 primary exit polls indicated that about a third of Democratic primary voters planned to vote for Trump against either Sanders or Clinton, so that alone indicated that Sanders wasn't going to be favored against Trump, but he would have retained a larger percentage of Democratic primary voters than Clinton would (51-33 vs. 44-36).

[Kingpoleon]

BRTD, you literally attack people for what they post on Twitter all the time. IE the fictional Krassentein brothers

[GeneralMacArthur]

From when Sanders took off up until the 2018 midterms, the common refrain was: progressive democratic socialists can expand the map and win anywhere, because they speak to what the populist WWC really want, and their policies are overwhelmingly popular.

These people actually believed, based on an obscene misinterpretation of a single poll, that 80+% of the country wanted single payer health care.  Or more specifically, they repeated it over and over even though they knew it wasn't true, and a bunch of dummies saw that and actually believed it.

Anyone remember Paula Jean Swearengin?  Sanders/DSA protege, got a bunch of Twitter support for primarying Joe Manchin, basically the poster child for this theory.  I think that's where West Virginia, specifically, as the state in this talking point came from.

At the end of the day, some of these people were lucky enough to win their primaries, and they got universally crushed in the 2018 midterms, while their "establishment, centrist, corporate dem" counterparts won race after race in purple/red districts to flip the House and eventually get us to the point where we could impeach President Trump for his crimes.

[morgankingsley]

I never seen this