Trump, Jews, and Civil rights act

[G.Humphreys]

The civil rights act does not apply to religion.  As a result, being a Jew does not afford you protections under the civil rights act.  As a work around, to stop the harassment, and violence perpetrated on Jews on college campuses (mostly), Trump declared them an ethnic block in order to protect them under the civil rights act.

Hope this clears up any conspiracy theories or unanswered questions.

[Progressive Pessimist]

He declared us a nationality, not an ethnicity, which Jews also already are. Maybe he meant the latter, but they are not the same thing.

Again, a better and less confusing way to address problems with antisemitism might be to acknowledge its rise and what, or who, is causing it.

[7,052,770]

So in the same week of yet another right-wing massacre on a Jewish community (the shooter was black, so at least Trump won't call him a very fine person), Trump decides to address anti-Semitism by instead targeting random college students who have said some mean things, but many of which come from a place of immaturity and lack of perspective than a visceral place of hate. He doesn't actually care about addressing either type of anti-Semitism, just trying to reassure his base that he hasn't forgotten about their End Times fantasy that ends with all the Jews in Hell.

[longtimelurker]

The civil rights act does not apply to religion.  As a result, being a Jew does not afford you protections under the civil rights act.  As a work around, to stop the harassment, and violence perpetrated on Jews on college campuses (mostly), Trump declared them an ethnic block in order to protect them under the civil rights act.

Hope this clears up any conspiracy theories or unanswered questions.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 mentions religion 36 times.

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/civil_rights_act.html

The Civil Rights Act of 1968 mentions religion 15 times.

https://legcounsel.house.gov/Comps/civil68.pdf

[pbrower2a]

One is a Jew if:

1. one practices any form of Judaism. Messianic Judaism does not count by this criterion, as it recognizes Jesus as Messiah (although Messianic Jews may identify as Jews for other reasons -- see below). This is absolute: any person who converted to any branch of Judaism is fully a Jew even if connected more fully to a non-Jewish culture. Thus one can be Japanese... and Jewish. Origami, bonsai trees, judo, and kabuki theater are not incompatible with Judaism. (Jesus is, as is any pagan god!) Zen can be compatible with Judaism if strictly a philosophy. 

2. someone affiliated with Jewish culture  by heritage or assimilation -- being Jewish because such is one's cultural foundation. (But what does this say of a country such as that of the United States  whose culture has come under considerable Jewish influence? American cinema in the 1930's?) In a way, aren't practically all Americans at least partially Jewish by culture? I admit this myself, and I can find no Jewish ancestors in my genealogy. German, English, Swiss, Welsh, Scots-Irish, Dutch, French... one of my ancestors has the very Slavic-sounding Matlack as a surname.   

3. someone concealing Jewish origin as a means of avoiding persecution. If that person moves to a place where one can again live a Jewish life and does so, then proof of that person's Jewishness  is beyond denial. (Example: at a certain point in the history of New Amsterdam, a Spanish or Portuguese surname usually indicated a Jew. Such obviously does not apply in New York City. 

4. The old rabbinical standard: the child of a Jewish mother is Jewish. Mothers are far less likely to abandon a child than a father.  Some Jewish traditions recognize patrilineal identity too. Scarlett Johanssen is Jewish because of her mother and Gwyneth Paltrow has had less certainty in some Jewish circles.

One that I reject:

"Racial" Jewishness, which antisemites use for smearing people for Jewish origin even if the person does not identify as Jewish. Because such is intended to dispossess, marginalize, and even exterminate Jews it must be rejected. It holds that Jewish origin is the basis of an anti-gentile conspiracy of domination, exploitation, and ruin.

As I see it, the only cause of Jewish success in any endeavor is personal excellence available to people of any origin and the opportunity to put such to use. 
 

[G.Humphreys]

He declared us a nationality, not an ethnicity, which Jews also already are. Maybe he meant the latter, but they are not the same thing.

Again, a better and less confusing way to address problems with antisemitism might be to acknowledge its rise and what, or who, is causing it.

Jew is not an ethnicity.  It is a religious affiliation.  But, trump made Jews an ethnic block by signing the EO in order to be able to protect them under civil rights act.

By signing the order he is admitting for the world to see there is a problem.  Otherwise he never would have done it.

[RINO Tom]

He declared us a nationality, not an ethnicity, which Jews also already are. Maybe he meant the latter, but they are not the same thing.

Again, a better and less confusing way to address problems with antisemitism might be to acknowledge its rise and what, or who, is causing it.

Jew is not an ethnicity.  It is a religious affiliation.  But, trump made Jews an ethnic block by signing the EO in order to be able to protect them under civil rights act.

By signing the order he is admitting for the world to see there is a problem.  Otherwise he never would have done it.

It is both, and this is quite obvious to anyone who’s not going for a hot take.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The problem with this isn't recognizing Jews as an ethnic group, but Trump's stated intentions on what he plans on doing with it. As imbecilic as the BDS movement is, stifling it would also be stifling free speech.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Let's get real on the current state of anti-Semitism in America.

The IHRA definition of anti-Semitism was adopted by several governments and the State Department. It provides examples of manifestations of anti-Semitic behavior including “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor; applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation; using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism…to characterize Israel or Israelis; drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis;” and “holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel.”

These are, of course, the standard practices of anti-Semites on college campuses and beyond. So by ordering the Federal government to use the IHRA definition as their framework for determining the validity of Title VI complaints of anti-Semitic discrimination on campuses, Trump provided Jews with the means they have lacked to defend themselves from that discrimination. He also carved a path to expose and fight the fastest growing and most politically and socially potent anti-Semitic forces in America.]The IHRA definition of anti-Semitism was adopted by several governments and the State Department. It provides examples of manifestations of anti-Semitic behavior including “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor; applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation; using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism…to characterize Israel or Israelis; drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis;” and “holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel.”

These are, of course, the standard practices of anti-Semites on college campuses and beyond. So by ordering the Federal government to use the IHRA definition as their framework for determining the validity of Title VI complaints of anti-Semitic discrimination on campuses, Trump provided Jews with the means they have lacked to defend themselves from that discrimination. He also carved a path to expose and fight the fastest growing and most politically and socially potent anti-Semitic forces in America.

For this, God Bless our President, Donald J. Trump.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What does the International Hot Rod Association have to do with it?

[HillGoose]

one thing I will give Trump a lot of credit for is that he certainly has the Jews' back

[Progressive Pessimist]

one thing I will give Trump a lot of credit for is that he certainly has the Jews' back

Not in good faith though. It's all about keeping evangelicals in line due to their end times belief that Israel has to be in the hands of the Jews for Jesus to return. That's all it's about. Though he may also possess a back-handed stereotype-based and superficial admiration for our business acumen though. Nothing problematic about that, right?

[Fuzzy Bear]

one thing I will give Trump a lot of credit for is that he certainly has the Jews' back

Not in good faith though. It's all about keeping evangelicals in line due to their end times belief that Israel has to be in the hands of the Jews for Jesus to return. That's all it's about. Though he may also possess a back-handed stereotype-based and superficial admiration for our business acumen though. Nothing problematic about that, right?

This is, truly, a really bad post, in regards to both evangelicals and Trump.  I doubt that Trump understands End Times theology, let alone cares much about it.  (Although he does know that evangelicals are loyal to him, and Trump has returned that loyalty.)  It's what anti-Trumpers want to believe, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 

It is amazing how many on this forum accuse Trump of being responsible for anti-Semitism (which is one of the most ridiculous "charges" ever leveled against him), but have not a word of criticism for the anti-Semitism coming from Islamic sources, African-American sources, and Leftist sources, where the most dangerous anti-Semitism is coming from these days.