UK General Discussion:The Rt. Hon Alex Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, Populist Hero

[MABA 2020]

So 1922 committee decided not to change the rules tonight why? They're just gonna have to do it next week when he doesn't resign

[Blair]

So 1922 committee decided not to change the rules tonight why? They're just gonna have to do it next week when he doesn't resign

They’re holding elections for a new executive on Monday - the argument being this new body will have a Democratic mandate to change the rules, whereas the current rump one didn’t.

I would not be shocked if they create a ‘Boris’ rule to allow for a one off challenge. There is a danger he might struggle to get more than 100 MPs supporting him.

[President Johnson]

Any guesses how long he'll last? Tomorrow? Next week? I can't imagine much longer.

Good riddance, Boris.

[soundchaser]

Any guesses how long he'll last? Tomorrow? Next week? I can't imagine much longer.

Good riddance, Boris.

Monday at the latest, with the rules change being floated.

[TheTide]

Any guesses how long he'll last? Tomorrow? Next week? I can't imagine much longer.

Good riddance, Boris.

Monday at the latest, with the rules change being floated.

What might he come up with in the meantime? That's the scary thought.

[MABA 2020]

So 1922 committee decided not to change the rules tonight why? They're just gonna have to do it next week when he doesn't resign

They’re holding elections for a new executive on Monday - the argument being this new body will have a Democratic mandate to change the rules, whereas the current rump one didn’t.

I guess thats a better explanation, I thought they were still holding out hope he'd go voluntarily. It seems like prolonging the suffering either way to me though.

[LabourJersey]

Any guesses how long he'll last? Tomorrow? Next week? I can't imagine much longer.

Good riddance, Boris.

Monday at the latest, with the rules change being floated.

What might he come up with in the meantime? That's the scary thought.

Maybe he'll get on a flight to Kyiv and see his good friend Zelenskyy and hope that somehow MPs will reconsider him as a "statesman"

[Talleyrand]

If Johnson loses the vote of no confidence, can he contest the ensuing leadership election?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Michael Gove has been sacked after telling the Prime Minister to resign.

[soundchaser]

Johnson: "I'll find people to fill the government."

Also Johnson:
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1544777097859764225

[Logical]

I see that we are still at the "moving imaginary armies and sacking generals" stage of the bunker drama.

[Blair]

Deranged.

This is really the stage where you expect officials to start making calls to the Palace.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

LOL

[TheTide]

This is funny, and also somewhat disturbing. As in, someone should check to see that he hasn't got any sharp objects nearby.

[YL]

https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1544778322973949953

[Zinneke]

Sacking Gove is such a chad move. Staying with a skeleton cabinet...I almost admire him. He has to go down in legend.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I don't even get what the Boris plan is now. It's inevitable you're going to lose the VONC as soon as it's able to happen. So what is even the point of fighting? The only possible way to avert it is to go to the Palace ASAP.

[afleitch]

I mean Gove absolutely deserves this. Even if the instigator is clearly deranged.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Sacking Gove is such a chad move. Staying with a skeleton cabinet...I almost admire him. He has to go down in legend.

It sure will make one hell of a movie.

[Pericles]

Looks like Gove is being set up as the scapegoat, everyone will suspect him as being a backstabber.

[MABA 2020]

I don't even get what the Boris plan is now. It's inevitable you're going to lose the VONC as soon as it's able to happen. So what is even the point of fighting? The only possible way to avert it is to go to the Palace ASAP.

Even that would be pointless as he'd certainly lose an election under these circumstances and he'd take the party down with him, but I dunno maybe he'll do it out of spite.

[Cassius]

Assuming that the rules are changed and that Johnson does lose a VONC next week (although, at this point, I'm not 100% confident that the party won't bottle it yet again), the rule that leaders can't be challenged again for one calendar year after winning a one needs to be scrapped ASAP. Sure, a threshold of letters for a challenge is probably a necessity, but the one year rule has created a truly ludicrous situation.

At this point I'd also have to say that the careers of anyone who remains in cabinet after this point must be toast. The Johnson loyalists apart, you can't announce that you have no confidence in the PM, tell that to his face, then back down and announce that you support him just because he ing says 'no - piss off'. This is possibly the only parliamentary democracy in the world where the politicians could be that weak and spineless in dealing with a failed leader. You can't imagine them sh*tting the bed this badly in an Australian political party.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Assuming that the rules are changed and that Johnson does lose a VONC next week (although, at this point, I'm not 100% confident that the party won't bottle it yet again), the rule that leaders can't be challenged again for one calendar year after winning a one needs to be scrapped ASAP. Sure, a threshold of letters for a challenge is probably a necessity, but the one year rule has created a truly ludicrous situation.

At this point I'd also have to say that the careers of anyone who remains in cabinet after this point must be toast. The Johnson loyalists apart, you can't announce that you have no confidence in the PM, tell that to his face, then back down and announce that you support him just because he ing says 'no - piss off'. This is possibly the only parliamentary democracy in the world where the politicians could be that weak and spineless in dealing with a failed leader. You can't imagine them sh*tting the bed this badly in an Australian party.

Yeah, I'm especially curious about what the endgame of Zahawi is. Sure, it's an amusing bit of Machiavellian tactics, but surely all he'll get out of it is like a position in pub trivia nights (who was the shortest serving Chancellor?)

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Assuming that the rules are changed and that Johnson does lose a VONC next week (although, at this point, I'm not 100% confident that the party won't bottle it yet again), the rule that leaders can't be challenged again for one calendar year after winning a one needs to be scrapped ASAP. Sure, a threshold of letters for a challenge is probably a necessity, but the one year rule has created a truly ludicrous situation.

At this point I'd also have to say that the careers of anyone who remains in cabinet after this point must be toast. The Johnson loyalists apart, you can't announce that you have no confidence in the PM, tell that to his face, then back down and announce that you support him just because he ing says 'no - piss off'. This is possibly the only parliamentary democracy in the world where the politicians could be that weak and spineless in dealing with a failed leader. You can't imagine them sh*tting the bed this badly in an Australian political party.

Johnson is trying to make this argument that the Conservative victory in 2019 resulted in a governing mandate not for the party but for him as an individual, which really is totally contrary to the central premise of parliamentary democracy, and it's extraordinary how many are somehow willing to go along with that reasoning.

[Silent Hunter]

Incidentally, the current holder of the shortest serving Chancellor record, I believe, is Iain MacLeod, who died after a month in office in 1970.