2020 Census and Redistricting Thread: Tennessee

[Oryxslayer]

Map was signed by the Gov.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Suprised no one has pointed this out but isn't this map illegal because district 2 is discontinous.

Not really for any partisan reasons, it could easily be made continous with the rest of the map barely being impacted, but just pointing it out.

[Schiff for Senate]

Suprised no one has pointed this out but isn't this map illegal because district 2 is discontinous.

Not really for any partisan reasons, it could easily be made continous with the rest of the map barely being impacted, but just pointing it out.

I thought even the TNGOP wouldn't be so sloppy that they don't even keep the districts contiguous. Still, as you said, it won't do anything because if necessary the TNGOP can just move those nonconnected pieces over to the district they're surrounded by (probably won't change deviation much at all).

[It’s so Joever]

When you forget to use contiguity check on DRA before submitting your map:

[100% pro-life no matter what]

When you forget to use contiguity check on DRA before submitting your map:

That exact arrangement is already in force in the 2010s map.  Loudon County, TN technically has some tiny exclaves, which causes the issue.  A statute puts those exclaves in TN-3, regardless of what it looks like:
https://twitter.com/politicswolf/status/1048643757258625024?lang=en

[It’s so Joever]

When you forget to use contiguity check on DRA before submitting your map:

That exact arrangement is already in force in the 2010s map.  Loudon County, TN technically has some tiny exclaves, which causes the issue.  A statute puts those exclaves in TN-3, regardless of what it looks like:
https://twitter.com/politicswolf/status/1048643757258625024?lang=en

A county?!
I thought non contiguous precincts were bad.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

When you forget to use contiguity check on DRA before submitting your map:

That exact arrangement is already in force in the 2010s map.  Loudon County, TN technically has some tiny exclaves, which causes the issue.  A statute puts those exclaves in TN-3, regardless of what it looks like:
https://twitter.com/politicswolf/status/1048643757258625024?lang=en

A county?!
I thought non contiguous precincts were bad.

Georgia has like three non contiguous counties

[Torie]

Contiguity requirements are a matter of state law. And I think the rules vary. County dis-contiguity is uncommon but municipal dis-contiguity I see often, particularly fragments of towns, after the heart of a town has been swallowed up by a city.

[lfromnj]

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2022/02/23/tennessee-sued-over-state-house-senate-redistricting-maps/9245414002/

Lawsuit based on county provisions for legislative districts. Not sure how much basis it has.  Dems could also try their luck in the state senate for another black majority state senate seat in Memphis using the VRA(current map is 3 Safe D, 2 Safe R in the cluster, fair map would be 3 Safe D , 1 tossup by 2020 presidential numbers and 1 Safe R and 4 black majority means 4 Safe D seats.)

Technically its also barely possible for 5 black majority districts

[ProgressiveModerate]

Contiguity requirements are a matter of state law. And I think the rules vary. County dis-contiguity is uncommon but municipal dis-contiguity I see often, particularly fragments of towns, after the heart of a town has been swallowed up by a city.

Nationally districts have to be contiguous by land though, with the only exception being Islands or when there's clear road/ferry/transit between points A and B (i.e. if Satan Island were attatched to lower Manhattan).

I could be wrong but County Contiguity isn't valid on the Congressional level.

Like think about how much uproar a hypothetical 5-1 Louisiana map if it tried to justify continuity with St. Martin Parish. This is the same thing, just on a much smaller scale as these precincts/blocks are tiny and have very few people, and don't affect the overall map.

[lfromnj]

Contiguity requirements are a matter of state law. And I think the rules vary. County dis-contiguity is uncommon but municipal dis-contiguity I see often, particularly fragments of towns, after the heart of a town has been swallowed up by a city.

Nationally districts have to be contiguous by land though, with the only exception being Islands or when there's clear road/ferry/transit between points A and B (i.e. if Satan Island were attatched to lower Manhattan).

I could be wrong but County Contiguity isn't valid on the Congressional level.

No such requirements ?

[ProgressiveModerate]

Contiguity requirements are a matter of state law. And I think the rules vary. County dis-contiguity is uncommon but municipal dis-contiguity I see often, particularly fragments of towns, after the heart of a town has been swallowed up by a city.

Nationally districts have to be contiguous by land though, with the only exception being Islands or when there's clear road/ferry/transit between points A and B (i.e. if Satan Island were attatched to lower Manhattan).

I could be wrong but County Contiguity isn't valid on the Congressional level.

No such requirements ?

I could be wrong but I thought contiguity was settled law in the most general sense (i.e Dems couldn't attach the Maryland Panhandle or the penninsula with a seperate random chunk of deep blue precincts outside DC). Ik some states have additional stricter rules

[lfromnj]

Contiguity requirements are a matter of state law. And I think the rules vary. County dis-contiguity is uncommon but municipal dis-contiguity I see often, particularly fragments of towns, after the heart of a town has been swallowed up by a city.

Nationally districts have to be contiguous by land though, with the only exception being Islands or when there's clear road/ferry/transit between points A and B (i.e. if Satan Island were attatched to lower Manhattan).

I could be wrong but County Contiguity isn't valid on the Congressional level.

No such requirements ?

I could be wrong but I thought contiguity was settled law in the most general sense (i.e Dems couldn't attach the Maryland Panhandle or the penninsula with a seperate random chunk of deep blue precincts outside DC). Ik some states have additional stricter rules

No as far I understand it probably has to do with VRA districts. Basically a VRA distrift should be contigious otherwise it violates the 14th.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Contiguity requirements are a matter of state law. And I think the rules vary. County dis-contiguity is uncommon but municipal dis-contiguity I see often, particularly fragments of towns, after the heart of a town has been swallowed up by a city.

Nationally districts have to be contiguous by land though, with the only exception being Islands or when there's clear road/ferry/transit between points A and B (i.e. if Satan Island were attatched to lower Manhattan).

I could be wrong but County Contiguity isn't valid on the Congressional level.

No such requirements ?

I could be wrong but I thought contiguity was settled law in the most general sense (i.e Dems couldn't attach the Maryland Panhandle or the penninsula with a seperate random chunk of deep blue precincts outside DC). Ik some states have additional stricter rules

No as far I understand it probably has to do with VRA districts. Basically a VRA distrift should be contigious otherwise it violates the 14th.

So it's more of an unwritten rule then that just no one has bothered breaking? Like hypothetically that'd make it extremely easy to gerrymander by just putting all of your opponent's strongest precincts in 1 district.

If not I guarantee you there will be a supreme court case over this in my lifetime

[Torie]

District contiguity of not I believe is a matter of state law. Not all states require bridge or ferry or land connections. There is no point debating this further absent someone providing citations when they have time.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

District contiguity of not I believe is a matter of state law. Not all states require bridge or ferry or land connections. There is no point debating this further absent someone providing citations when they have time.

That would not surprise me, if it was a matter of state law. American states can vary immensely in their redistricting laws.

[I’m not Stu]

Check out my legal under current SCOTUS map!

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Check out my legal under current SCOTUS map!

Crafty gerrymander. But I doubt that the destruction of a black seat like this, especially one that is so obvious to draw, would withstand litigation.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://davesredistricting.org/join/bb769187-c924-4130-9939-5281a6e3590c
Clean 8R-1D map

[I’m not Stu]

Check out my legal under current SCOTUS map!

Crafty gerrymander. But I doubt that the destruction of a black seat like this, especially one that is so obvious to draw, would withstand litigation.

At least five SCOTUS justices believe the VRA doesn't apply to redistricting.

[Oryxslayer]

A Racial Gerrymandering lawsuit has been filed against the Congressional map concerning Nashville (the former district 5) and State Senate lines in the Memphis region.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://www.lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/TN-Complaint-final.pdf
Here is a link to the PDF of the complaint itself.

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/RedistrictNet/status/1727420175346188774?t=-PHIbVvW28n6_BstX...

Before anyone gets excited,  the senate section of this particular lawsuit literally just concerns the numbering policy (and therefore what year the seats are up) in Nashville areas senate seats.