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« on: December 05, 2019, 10:15:34 AM »

And no-one will tell me a revolution will take place in Oceania Cheesy

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2019, 11:28:50 AM »

France will elect LePen, so that will be a revolution.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2019, 11:32:13 AM »

An Axis of Evil nation like Iran, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea, Belarus, Zimbabwe, Cuba, or Venezuela.

The people will rise up and demand DEMOCRACY!
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2019, 01:04:08 PM »

The primary domestic political unrest 2018-2019 (outside of civil wars/failed states) has been in Latin America (Venezuela, Nicaragua, Chile), North Africa (Algeria, Sudan), and the Middle East (Iraq, Iran, Armenia if we want to count that), with the very notable exception of Hong Kong in East Asia. Some of these have even been successful. Not sure why European/North American countries, where politics is decently institutionalized, appear to be featured so heavily here.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2019, 01:07:35 PM »

You mean the next country to have a coup, civil war, break up, or something like that?
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 11:29:45 AM »

It depends how you define it.

There is a possibility that the current efforts in Hong Kong actually lead to separation, which I would say is a revolution but obviously is not the same as an upheaval of the Chinese government.

After Hong Kong, the most likely countries are Chile, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2019, 11:34:22 AM »

You mean the next country to have a coup, civil war, break up, or something like that?
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or as big as the French / Russian revolution.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2019, 11:42:42 AM »

You mean the next country to have a coup, civil war, break up, or something like that?
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or as big as the French / Russian revolution.

We're lucky enough not to have that in the foreseeable (emphasis) future.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2019, 12:13:37 PM »
« Edited: December 07, 2019, 12:17:24 PM by Laki »

You mean the next country to have a coup, civil war, break up, or something like that?
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or as big as the French / Russian revolution.

We're lucky enough not to have that in the foreseeable (emphasis) future.
French Revolution was the best thing that ever happened, or do you still want a feodal society with monarchs and emperors in Europe? Yes, it partially led to Napoleon (still a better guy than all those kings) and more unstability short-term, but long-term it was the source of many revolutions in the 19th century of Europe, and spread the ideas of liberalism and democracy (enlightenment).

The Russion Revolution was also a good thing partially, because communism led to mass and rapid development of a tsarist inequal agrarian's society to a partially better state, and yes it led to Stalin, mass crimes and a dictatorship but USSR >x10 Russian Empire. The first Russian Revolution, which led to the democracy of one year was also a good one, but it was not viable on the short term unfortunately basically because Russia didn't have (and still doesn't have a) democratic tradition. I just wish we had Trotsky instead of Stalin, while not perfect it would've prevented a lot of Stalin's cruel actions, purges, holodomor and all.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2019, 04:07:34 PM »

To have the kind of transformative impact that the French revolution had, it would probably have to come from somewhere in East Asia, since it's the region that's in the process of becoming economically and politically dominant like Europe was in the 18th century. But we're far too early in this historical cycle for this to be a realistic prospect.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2019, 11:19:26 PM »

You mean the next country to have a coup, civil war, break up, or something like that?
yes

or as big as the French / Russian revolution.

We're lucky enough not to have that in the foreseeable (emphasis) future.
French Revolution was the best thing that ever happened, or do you still want a feodal society with monarchs and emperors in Europe? Yes, it partially led to Napoleon (still a better guy than all those kings) and more unstability short-term, but long-term it was the source of many revolutions in the 19th century of Europe, and spread the ideas of liberalism and democracy (enlightenment).

The Russion Revolution was also a good thing partially, because communism led to mass and rapid development of a tsarist inequal agrarian's society to a partially better state, and yes it led to Stalin, mass crimes and a dictatorship but USSR >x10 Russian Empire. The first Russian Revolution, which led to the democracy of one year was also a good one, but it was not viable on the short term unfortunately basically because Russia didn't have (and still doesn't have a) democratic tradition. I just wish we had Trotsky instead of Stalin, while not perfect it would've prevented a lot of Stalin's cruel actions, purges, holodomor and all.

A) Who cares if they were “good” in the past? The violent overthrow of a major world government today would undoubtedly be a bad thing, and the exceptions (Russia/China) don’t are unlikely and in the latter case lack viable alternatives.

B) Russia developed at a more rapid pace during Sergei Witte’s tenure than Stalin’s. The primary setbacks were war and revolution which together represented 7 or more wasted and decisively counterproductive years. The USSR might have been better from an equal opportunity perspective but it did not represent a victory for political liberty or self-determination, and its primary economic benefits took decades of bloody destruction to realize, serving to negate its benefits. Additionally, Stalin killed Russia’s top generals, so so much for fighting fascism effectively.

C) Sure, the provisional government didn’t have Russia’s historical lack of democracy going for it; it also happened to have a war not of its choosing and Bolshevik agitators to deal with. Your point?
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