How did most racist white southerners vote in every election?

[coolface1572]

How did most Racist white southerners vote in every election?

Here are my thoughts
1856: Buchanan
1860: Breckinridge
1868-1924 Democratic candidate
1928 ?
1932-1944 FDR
1948 Thurmond
1952 ?
1956 ?
1960 ?
1964 Goldwater
1968 Wallace
1972 Nixon
1976 ?
I think we all know who won them after.

[One Term Floridian]

How did most Racist white southerners vote in every election?

Here are my thoughts
1856: Buchanan
1860: Breckinridge
1868-1924 Democratic candidate
1928 ?
1932-1944 FDR
1948 Thurmond
1952 ?
1956 ?
1960 ?
1964 Goldwater
1968 Wallace
1972 Nixon
1976 ?
I think we all know who won them after.

Truman probably won that “bloc” in 48 since he carried more southern states than Thurmond. Eisenhower and Stevenson probably split it and Kennedy probably narrowly won it. After Wallace in 68, this bloc is securely Republican with the exception of a fairly close result against Carter in 76 and a few minor flirtations with Clinton in 92 & 96

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

What a vague and arbitrary question. How do you define racism? By modern and especially Atlas standards 90% or more of white southerners (and whites in most areas of the US)  would have been “racist” until the 80s or 90s. What do you define as the South? Only the former confederacy or do you include Oklahoma, Kentucky and West Virginia?

By modern standards and having a loose definition for the South Truman and LBJ most likely beat Thurmond and Goldwater in this “demographic” by virtue of winning more (and generally states with a larger voting population) Southern states. In regards to 28, 52, 56, 68 and 76 it was probably quite close and for 60 I’d give JFK an advantage.

[morgankingsley]

Truman won most of the white vote in 1948

[OSR stands with Israel]

FYI : Carter did much much better in the rural south than he did in the suburban south and did very well in Wallace 68 counties

1968:

1980:

[Sumner 1868]

FYI : Carter did much much better in the rural south than he did in the suburban south and did very well in Wallace 68 counties

1968:

1980:

I'm seeing more of the rural counties voted Ford than Carter. Georgia is an exception for obvious reasons, as well as Arkansas.

[OSR stands with Israel]

FYI : Carter did much much better in the rural south than he did in the suburban south and did very well in Wallace 68 counties

1968:

1980:

I'm seeing more of the rural counties voted Ford than Carter. Georgia is an exception for obvious reasons, as well as Arkansas.

I specified to rural south only and I used 1980 not 1976.


Anyway Carter won more Wallace counties than Reagan did

[morgankingsley]

FYI : Carter did much much better in the rural south than he did in the suburban south and did very well in Wallace 68 counties

1968:

1980:

It is very intriguing to this day for me how much on a county level Wallace utterly decimated Humphrey and Nixon in the south.  If he picked up even two or three more southern states, he probably would have actually won more counties nationwide than Humphrey did, a feat he already came extremely close to doing

[RINO Tom]

They forgot to ask that as an exit poll category, champ.

[Tartarus Sauce]

RINO Tom bait is best bait.

[One Term Floridian]

FYI : Carter did much much better in the rural south than he did in the suburban south and did very well in Wallace 68 counties

1968:

1980:

It is very intriguing to this day for me how much on a county level Wallace utterly decimated Humphrey and Nixon in the south.  If he picked up even two or three more southern states, he probably would have actually won more counties nationwide than Humphrey did, a feat he already came extremely close to doing

Wallace was simply a perfect fit for the South, as he was the “true Democrat” on the ballot for the “racist white southern” bloc which was probably the majority back then lol

[RINO Tom]

RINO Tom bait is best bait.

Lol, I "bait" is pretty lame if THAT response from me was satisfactory.

[Calthrina950]

What a vague and arbitrary question. How do you define racism? By modern and especially Atlas standards 90% or more of white southerners (and whites in most areas of the US)  would have been “racist” until the 80s or 90s. What do you define as the South? Only the former confederacy or do you include Oklahoma, Kentucky and West Virginia?

By modern standards and having a loose definition for the South Truman and LBJ most likely beat Thurmond and Goldwater in this “demographic” by virtue of winning more (and generally states with a larger voting population) Southern states. In regards to 28, 52, 56, 68 and 76 it was probably quite close and for 60 I’d give JFK an advantage.

Truman in particular probably got a plurality of such voters, given that in contrast to Johnson, he also carried Georgia, and did so by the typical landslide margin that Democrats obtained in the state at every election prior to 1964. In Georgia in particular, Truman beat Thurmond and Dewey 61-20-18, prevailing over their combined totals by a margin of 23%. And in 1964, Johnson won the votes of many deeply racist, pro-segregationist whites throughout the Upper South, particularly in states like Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina, because of their objections to Goldwater's domestic and foreign policy proposals, particularly war (ironically enough), the TVA, and federal farming subsidies. In South Carolina, Louisiana, and Georgia, it's obvious that many racist whites still voted for Johnson, since he cleared 40% in those states. Even in Mississippi, Johnson got over a third of the vote in Northeastern counties that were part of the TVA's mandate and had some concerns about Goldwater's economic policy, though race won out for them more, as it did for the entire state.

[darklordoftech]

Why didn’t the unpledged Democratic electors win in Alabama in 1964?

[Mr. Smith]

Smith won the most racist parts in 1928. Hoover did best where Anti-Catholicism and "Dryness" were more prominent enough to contend with race and segregation.

[Calthrina950]

Why didn’t the unpledged Democratic electors win in Alabama in 1964?

The Goldwater tide swept Alabama like it did the other Deep Southern states. Even if Johnson had been on the ballot, I don't think he would have done any better than the Unpledged Electors did. The Civil Rights backlash that year was too intense, and a Republican victory in Alabama was basically inevitable at that point, given the confused situation of 1960.

[Kleine Scheiße]

FYI : Carter did much much better in the rural south than he did in the suburban south and did very well in Wallace 68 counties

1968:

1980:

I'm seeing more of the rural counties voted Ford than Carter. Georgia is an exception for obvious reasons, as well as Arkansas.

I specified to rural south only and I used 1980 not 1976.


Anyway Carter won more Wallace counties than Reagan did

i wonder what anderson's impact was in those counties

probably only like 2-3%

[darklordoftech]

Smith won the most racist parts in 1928. Hoover did best where Anti-Catholicism and "Dryness" were more prominent enough to contend with race and segregation.

Did Smith also do better where support for free trade was stronger?

[ElectionsGuy]

I'll just say they continued voting Democrat for longer than people here would believe. The strongest areas for Thurmond and Wallace in the south were some of the last counties to flip Republican, many of them took until after Bill Clinton. There's counties in northern Alabama that voted for Gore and against interracial marriage in 2000.

[morgankingsley]

I'll just say they continued voting Democrat for longer than people here would believe. The strongest areas for Thurmond and Wallace in the south were some of the last counties to flip Republican, many of them took until after Bill Clinton. There's counties in northern Alabama that voted for Gore and against interracial marriage in 2000.

Could there be some counties that have not fully flipped yet

[darklordoftech]

I'll just say they continued voting Democrat for longer than people here would believe. The strongest areas for Thurmond and Wallace in the south were some of the last counties to flip Republican, many of them took until after Bill Clinton. There's counties in northern Alabama that voted for Gore and against interracial marriage in 2000.

However, Thurmond was conservative on non-racial issues as well and supported every GOP nominee starting with Eisenhower.

[Intell]

I'll just say they continued voting Democrat for longer than people here would believe. The strongest areas for Thurmond and Wallace in the south were some of the last counties to flip Republican, many of them took until after Bill Clinton. There's counties in northern Alabama that voted for Gore and against interracial marriage in 2000.

Um no?

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

I'll just say they continued voting Democrat for longer than people here would believe. The strongest areas for Thurmond and Wallace in the south were some of the last counties to flip Republican, many of them took until after Bill Clinton. There's counties in northern Alabama that voted for Gore and against interracial marriage in 2000.

Um no?

Yeah elections guy is wrong on this one. Thurmond was a conservative who voted for Eisenhower in 1952 and Eisenhower won a number of black belt/lowland counties that year which were Thurmond’s strongest areas in 1948.

[Cape Verde]

Southern white vote probably went Nixon 45 - Wallace 40 - Humphrey 15 in 1968 and Reagan 60 - Carter 35 - Others 5 in 1980.

If we assume all Nixon votes stayed with Reagan and all Humphrey votes stayed with Carter, Wallace voters in 1980 probably went Carter 60 -  Reagan 40 in 1980.

[ElectionsGuy]

I'll just say they continued voting Democrat for longer than people here would believe. The strongest areas for Thurmond and Wallace in the south were some of the last counties to flip Republican, many of them took until after Bill Clinton. There's counties in northern Alabama that voted for Gore and against interracial marriage in 2000.

Um no?

I'm referring to his 1948 presidential run, where he got overwhelming majorities in 3 southern states and decent percentages in other states. Before 1948 these states voted 80+% Democrat. The fact that he was a Republican later doesn't mean many would be Truman voters voted for him in 1948.