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coolface1572
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« on: November 22, 2019, 03:54:06 PM »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2019, 03:57:21 PM »

Maybe you should count Byrd in 60 too.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2019, 03:59:58 PM »

Maybe you should count Byrd in 60 too.

I intended for him to not be included.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2019, 04:42:51 PM »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?

Well you see it’s impossible
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2019, 04:55:00 PM »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?

Well you see it’s impossible

Forrest County could maybe flip in a huge national landslide for the Democrats (55-42 Trump in 2016). Bossier Parish would require the apocalypse, though (71-25 Trump in 2016).
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2019, 05:07:09 PM »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?

Well you see it’s impossible

Forrest County could maybe flip in a huge national landslide for the Democrats (55-42 Trump in 2016). Bossier Parish would require the apocalypse, though (71-25 Trump in 2016).

Lol if even Jim Hood couldn’t win it this year...it’s impossible
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2019, 06:03:26 PM »


Why not?  They didn’t vote Democratic, though there may not be many that fit.

There’s also Lexington County, SC, which didn’t vote for Wallace.  It voted unelected in 1956, and GOP in every other election back through 1952.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2019, 06:30:02 PM »


Why not?  They didn’t vote Democratic, though there may not be many that fit.

There’s also Lexington County, SC, which didn’t vote for Wallace.  It voted unelected in 1956, and GOP in every other election back through 1952.

I didn't include him because he wasn't technically running. I wanted this to be a sequence of republicans with the only outliers being southern candidates who actually campaigned, as opposed to just being protest votes.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2019, 07:19:46 PM »
« Edited: November 22, 2019, 09:21:02 PM by DINGO Joe »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?

Well you see it’s impossible

Forrest County could maybe flip in a huge national landslide for the Democrats (55-42 Trump in 2016). Bossier Parish would require the apocalypse, though (71-25 Trump in 2016).

Lol if even Jim Hood couldn’t win it this year...it’s impossible

Well, Hood would have won it if black turnout could have approached that of Espy's election.  So you would need a high black turnout plus attract  Hood voters.  Forrest does have a small university, Southern Miss, it also has a "suburban" county--Lamar, which depending on how the population shifts around, could, some day mean Forrest votes D.

Bossier Parrish is a suburban parish which attracts white flight from Shreveport, so that ain't gonna happen.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2019, 08:44:24 PM »

Almost all of these counties look like suburban counties because for it not have gone D would mean Jimmy Carter lost them and his weakest counties were the most urban/suburban counties in the South. Now some urban counties like Hinds have flipped but Rankin is still there.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2019, 01:55:27 PM »

Almost all of these counties look like suburban counties because for it not have gone D would mean Jimmy Carter lost them and his weakest counties were the most urban/suburban counties in the South. Now some urban counties like Hinds have flipped but Rankin is still there.

Hinds County has had a dramatic shift over the past 40 years, which is explained by white flight, and its transition into a majority-black county. Its astonishing when you think about it, that Ford got over 60% of the vote there in 1976, but it gave Clinton more than 70% forty years later. Rankin County has remained unshakably Republican, because it has been the recipient of much of that white flight. Stevenson in 1956 was the last Democrat to win it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2019, 04:49:47 PM »

Are there any counties that voted Repub except Thurmond and/or Wallace AND voted for Dewey in 1944?
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2019, 02:08:47 PM »

Are there any counties that voted Repub except Thurmond and/or Wallace AND voted for Dewey in 1944?

No. There weren't even any Dewey/Thurmond counties at all.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2019, 04:02:33 PM »

Also warren county MS almost follows this desired pattern only breaking it in 1960 and 2012.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 04:07:12 PM »

Also warren county MS almost follows this desired pattern only breaking it in 1960 and 2012.
I understand 1960 (Democratic victory while the New Deal Coalition was intact), but I wonder what happened  in 2012.
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2019, 01:38:58 AM »

Also warren county MS almost follows this desired pattern only breaking it in 1960 and 2012.
I understand 1960 (Democratic victory while the New Deal Coalition was intact), but I wonder what happened  in 2012.
47% black and obama just got super high turnout in 2012. It could flip d again in 2020 as it's only trump plus 3.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2019, 01:45:32 PM »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?
I'm not sure what these areas are like; I'd guess small, rural, and historically segregated, to the point where Blacks once were a voteless majority, but are now less than 30% of the population. (Much over 30 would have won for Carter in '76).

What would it take? Time, for the white GOP vote to max out (which has probably happened already) and the Black population to rise again.

Going into Election Day, 1996, Hinds County, MS and Jefferson County, AL (the largest counties in these states) met this description. Going into Election Day, 2008, Jefferson still met this description.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2019, 11:04:44 AM »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?
I'm not sure what these areas are like; I'd guess small, rural, and historically segregated, to the point where Blacks once were a voteless majority, but are now less than 30% of the population. (Much over 30 would have won for Carter in '76).

What would it take? Time, for the white GOP vote to max out (which has probably happened already) and the Black population to rise again.

Going into Election Day, 1996, Hinds County, MS and Jefferson County, AL (the largest counties in these states) met this description. Going into Election Day, 2008, Jefferson still met this description.

Close, but not quite. Jefferson AL went dem in 1952, and Hinds MS went dem in 1956 and for the unpledged slate in 1960.
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2019, 04:00:16 PM »

How many counties are there which last voted democratic in 1944 and voted republican since except for 48 and 68?

So far I found two.

Forrest County MS
Bossier Parish LA

What are these areas like? And what would it take for a dem to win here in 2020?
I'm not sure what these areas are like; I'd guess small, rural, and historically segregated, to the point where Blacks once were a voteless majority, but are now less than 30% of the population. (Much over 30 would have won for Carter in '76).

What would it take? Time, for the white GOP vote to max out (which has probably happened already) and the Black population to rise again.

Going into Election Day, 1996, Hinds County, MS and Jefferson County, AL (the largest counties in these states) met this description. Going into Election Day, 2008, Jefferson still met this description.

Close, but not quite. Jefferson AL went dem in 1952, and Hinds MS went dem in 1956 and for the unpledged slate in 1960.
Thank you. I think Greenville County, SC is similarly close to meeting the description as well. (It went Dem in 1956, though not by a majority-- 43.5%-39.5%).

I believe 1944 was the last time a Dem won a majority of the vote in Greenville, Hinds and Jefferson, until 1996 (Hinds) and 2008 (Jefferson). Greenville voted for Nixon in '68, not Wallace.
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