Elizabeth Warren 2020 Megathread v2 (pg 35 - Emily List support)

[jamestroll]

Due to fiscal and political realities I would be fine with a system that covers all preventative care and catastrophic emergencies.  A system like that would like be what is passed if a Democratic president really pushed Medicare for all but as we know .. by the time it goes negotiated and watered down in legislation that is likely what the end result would be.

[James Monroe]

he case for Warren over her competitors is threefold. She understands America’s problems better than anyone else in the field, in part because it’s her research and analysis that now forms the base for much of the policy debate. She understands how to focus and wield the powers of the regulatory state better than anyone else, because she’s actually done it, and because it’s core to her political project. And she is, far and away, the candidate with the clearest plan for making ambitious governance possible again.

Warren is the only Democrat running for president who has built, or directly managed, a federal agency. That gives her a form of experience that is unique in the Democratic field but central to the work of the president. As my colleague Emily Stewart wrote in her excellent retrospective on Warren’s work setting up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, “the real action in any administration is executive in nature: knowing what regulatory buttons to push, which enforcers can really go for blood, who to put where, and how to manage them.” And Warren does.

Campaigning in the age of television frames the presidency as a communications job, which, sometimes, it is. But those powers are overstated: Presidents are rarely able to dramatically change public opinion, and their interventions are as likely to hurt legislative efforts as help. By contrast, campaigns understate both the power and the difficulty of leading the world’s most powerful and consequential bureaucracy, and the next president will face a particularly hard version of that job, as Donald Trump has driven out a tremendous amount of civil service talent and demoralized many of those who remain. Warren has proven herself the candidate with the right skills and vision to rebuild.

The case for Elizabeth Warren.

[SingingAnalyst]

As of today I am seriously looking at a vote for Warren in the primary.

[JGibson]

In tonight's episode of FX's The Weekly, Warren got endorsed by the New York Times, along with Amy Klobuchar.

[Mr. Smith]

Hotmic moment pretty much proves Warren was telling the the truth. She was indignant and Bernie was stammering and acting like he didn't know what time it was.

 Go Liz, Go.

Or he was hurt that his friend would smear him like this, but go off.

It’s always everyone else, never Bernie. Y’all never hold this 80 year old man accountable for anything ever.

I can't hold him accountable for telling his truth.  He's disputing a verifiable liar. 

I can hold Warren accountable for rejecting Bernie's handshake.  It's low class.  Being called a liar is not an excuse.  If that's the way she's going to conduct herself, she might as well go back to being Dr. Phil's Financial guru.   

Yall loved her not too long ago now she’s this pathological liar. Meanwhile Bernie has been lying to voters for five years that he could break up banks, eliminate student loan debt, and throw 140 million people off their insurance if he holds enough rallies in Louisville, Kentucky. A mess.

When a Democrat regurgitates Republican talking points, something is wrong.

Questioning how he is going to get things done is now “Republican”? It’s funny how not supporting the independent makes someone a fake Democrat.

There really isn't that much of a question thought as it largely depends on the composition of the next Congress (though tbf two of those thing can be done executively anyway).

Even if the next Congress was 100% Democrat, the Green New Deal and Medicare For All wouldn't get passed.

Heck, even if the Senate was 100% Bernie Sanders clones and the House was 100% AOC clones, it wouldn't happen.

Why?  Because it's not real policy.  It doesn't mathematically work.  If anyone were to every write an actual bill and not just a wish-list, the CBO assessments would be hilariously devastating.  The tax increases required to quadruple federal spending would absolutely tank the economy.  And the actual details of these policies are beyond the mental capacities of AOC and Sanders.  Just go read the Bernie Sanders NYDN interview.  He is not capable of getting in the weeds on any of this.  The only trick he has is some memorized statistics.

That's why I've always respected Warren infinitely more than Sanders.  Although I strongly disagree with her policies, I honestly believe that Warren is capable of getting into the details and crafting policies that actually work.  If the Senate was 100% Warren, she might go in there wanting M4A, but after long periods of research, end up crafting a plan that, while not the tremendously expensive we'll-pay-for-everything-no-matter-what plan they've been promising, is able to balance all the different tradeoffs and maintain a reasonable economic position while achieving her goals.

Neither was the supply-side mumbo-jumbo Reagan [and Andy Mellon back in the 20's] got through. Didn't stop either of them from the ruinous tax cuts now did it.

Neither was social security "realistic" either. There certainly wasn't anything to suggest some lightweight with one term would be able to pull through.

Mondale was very realistic, and uh, look what happened to him.

[gerritcole]

Hotmic moment pretty much proves Warren was telling the the truth. She was indignant and Bernie was stammering and acting like he didn't know what time it was.

 Go Liz, Go.

Or he was hurt that his friend would smear him like this, but go off.

It’s always everyone else, never Bernie. Y’all never hold this 80 year old man accountable for anything ever.

I can't hold him accountable for telling his truth.  He's disputing a verifiable liar. 

I can hold Warren accountable for rejecting Bernie's handshake.  It's low class.  Being called a liar is not an excuse.  If that's the way she's going to conduct herself, she might as well go back to being Dr. Phil's Financial guru.   

Yall loved her not too long ago now she’s this pathological liar. Meanwhile Bernie has been lying to voters for five years that he could break up banks, eliminate student loan debt, and throw 140 million people off their insurance if he holds enough rallies in Louisville, Kentucky. A mess.

When a Democrat regurgitates Republican talking points, something is wrong.

Questioning how he is going to get things done is now “Republican”? It’s funny how not supporting the independent makes someone a fake Democrat.

There really isn't that much of a question thought as it largely depends on the composition of the next Congress (though tbf two of those thing can be done executively anyway).

Even if the next Congress was 100% Democrat, the Green New Deal and Medicare For All wouldn't get passed.

Heck, even if the Senate was 100% Bernie Sanders clones and the House was 100% AOC clones, it wouldn't happen.

Why?  Because it's not real policy.  It doesn't mathematically work.  If anyone were to every write an actual bill and not just a wish-list, the CBO assessments would be hilariously devastating.  The tax increases required to quadruple federal spending would absolutely tank the economy.  And the actual details of these policies are beyond the mental capacities of AOC and Sanders.  Just go read the Bernie Sanders NYDN interview.  He is not capable of getting in the weeds on any of this.  The only trick he has is some memorized statistics.

That's why I've always respected Warren infinitely more than Sanders.  Although I strongly disagree with her policies, I honestly believe that Warren is capable of getting into the details and crafting policies that actually work.  If the Senate was 100% Warren, she might go in there wanting M4A, but after long periods of research, end up crafting a plan that, while not the tremendously expensive we'll-pay-for-everything-no-matter-what plan they've been promising, is able to balance all the different tradeoffs and maintain a reasonable economic position while achieving her goals.

Neither was the supply-side mumbo-jumbo Reagan [and Andy Mellon back in the 20's] got through. Didn't stop either of them from the ruinous tax cuts now did it.

Neither was social security "realistic" either. There certainly wasn't anything to suggest some lightweight with one term would be able to pull through.

Mondale was very realistic, and uh, look what happened to him.

so no real plan either. just hope and dreams will power M4A!

[JGibson]

Elizabeth Warren promises to have at least half of her cabinet be women if elected.



Kevin Robillard at HuffPost:

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Tuesday promised to appoint women or nonbinary people to at least half of the top positions in the executive branch if she wins the presidency.

The pledge comes as Warren, one of the three leading 2020 Democratic candidates in national polling, is seeking to consolidate and rally female voters ahead of crucial early primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire. After New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and California Sen. Kamala Harris dropped out of the race, Warren and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar are the only major female candidates remaining in the presidential primary.

[Beet]

Warren proposes federal task force to investigate Trump 'corruption'

The great plans just keep coming.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Like I stated before, Pelosi is still Speaker of the House, the country is too polarizing to have a female Prez and female Speaker. If Stenya Hoyer was Speaker, and should be, then a female can be Prez, too. The good news is that Biden will pick Sally Yates and we can have a female Veep and Prez of Senate

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Warren wasted 25 M and she is still stuck in 3rd place

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Elizabeth Warren promises to have at least half of her cabinet be women if elected.



Kevin Robillard at HuffPost:

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Tuesday promised to appoint women or nonbinary people to at least half of the top positions in the executive branch if she wins the presidency.

The pledge comes as Warren, one of the three leading 2020 Democratic candidates in national polling, is seeking to consolidate and rally female voters ahead of crucial early primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire. After New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and California Sen. Kamala Harris dropped out of the race, Warren and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar are the only major female candidates remaining in the presidential primary.

My answer is https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1217058848403599361

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Warren proposes federal task force to investigate Trump 'corruption'

The great plans just keep coming.

Because of course, no other Democrat, if elected president, will investigate Trump's malarial miasma.

[Beet]

Warren proposes federal task force to investigate Trump 'corruption'

The great plans just keep coming.

Because of course, no other Democrat, if elected president, will investigate Trump's malarial miasma.

If they will, let them say it. Democrats assumed Obama would investigate the banks and he let them off more easily than after the Savings & Loan Crisis when H.W. Bush was President.

[Panhandle Progressive]

I will be out of town on Super Tuesday but will be casting my Democratic ballot for Warren as an absentee voter in the Virginia Primary. She seems like someone who would unite multiple wings of the party, whereas from my perspective neither Bernie nor Biden could do this. Former Bernie voters would support Warren (as they are closely aligned), and then Warren would have to win over former Biden supporters at the convention. (as they are the centrist/moderate voters)

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Even if the next Congress was 100% Democrat, the Green New Deal and Medicare For All wouldn't get passed.

Heck, even if the Senate was 100% Bernie Sanders clones and the House was 100% AOC clones, it wouldn't happen.

Why?  Because it's not real policy.  It doesn't mathematically work.  If anyone were to every write an actual bill and not just a wish-list, the CBO assessments would be hilariously devastating.  The tax increases required to quadruple federal spending would absolutely tank the economy.  And the actual details of these policies are beyond the mental capacities of AOC and Sanders.  Just go read the Bernie Sanders NYDN interview.  He is not capable of getting in the weeds on any of this.  The only trick he has is some memorized statistics.

That's why I've always respected Warren infinitely more than Sanders.  Although I strongly disagree with her policies, I honestly believe that Warren is capable of getting into the details and crafting policies that actually work.  If the Senate was 100% Warren, she might go in there wanting M4A, but after long periods of research, end up crafting a plan that, while not the tremendously expensive we'll-pay-for-everything-no-matter-what plan they've been promising, is able to balance all the different tradeoffs and maintain a reasonable economic position while achieving her goals.

Sanders wouldn't know what to do if the Senate was 100% him because he's never actually had to write real, passable policy in his life and he doesn't know how.  All he knows how to do is write wish lists and mission statements and then criticize Democrats for not signing onto them.

What on earth?

Who the hell is gonna write the legislation?  Is Bernie gonna write it himself?

Is it going to look like his Medicare For All bill that he introduced to Congress?  100 pages, 24 lines per page, and if you actually read it the bulk of it is just a long wish-list accompanied by him appointing a bunch of people and telling them to figure it out.  What a joke.  For reference, here's what Obamacare looked like.  That's the difference between legislation that actually does something and legislation that's barely more than a mission statement.

Here's the Medicare Part D legislation.  This is one part of the current Medicare program and it's lengthy, detailed, complicated.  Sanders wants to completely tear the system down and re-build it from scratch, and his proof of concept may as well be written in crayon.

Then the secretary of HHS could write it, no? Probably Abdul Sayed

[Dr. Arch]

Warren had a bit of a viral moment on the campaign trail yesterday, but not the good kind:

Yikes...

[MadmanMotley]

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/videos/opinion/editorials/caucus/2020/01/26/register-editoral-board-endorses-elizabeth-warren/4574954002/

Des Moines Register endorses Warren

[JGibson]

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/videos/opinion/editorials/caucus/2020/01/26/register-editoral-board-endorses-elizabeth-warren/4574954002/

Des Moines Register endorses Warren

Excellent endorsement.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Warren had a bit of a viral moment on the campaign trail yesterday, but not the good kind:

Yikes...

People like this are the problem. It’s not about them and every policy doesn’t have to help you personally. An entire generation of people are being screwed by student loan debt.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

People like this are the problem. It’s not about them and every policy doesn’t have to help you personally. An entire generation of people are being screwed by student loan debt.

Yes, and most of all the people who don't have any because the cost of a college education deterred them from enrolling in the first place. My household doesn't need the federal government to effectively write me a check for several month's salary pre-tax while the people who clean the bathrooms in my office get nothing.

Those people don’t “get nothing”. The point of these reforms is to radically reduce the cost of college. Warren’s proposed plans to pay for public college as well as wipe out student loan debt. The people who deferred continuing their education due to the costs will be able to do so after that.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Those people don’t “get nothing”. The point of these reforms is to radically reduce the cost of college.

Every discussion of student loan forgiveness seems to turn on the trick of wrapping up debt cancellation with higher education reform, but the reality is that one does not imply the other. We could make public colleges free tomorrow without forgiving a dollar of student debt.

Moreover, we could make those loans dischargeable through bankruptcy, force schools to eat at least some of the debt held by drop-outs, make public service debt forgiveness programs better, and so on without a jubilee. It's dishonest to treat this as an all or nothing question when every Democratic candidate other than Sanders and Warren has a more targeted plan for the problem.

Warren’s proposed plans to pay for public college as well as wipe out student loan debt. The people who deferred continuing their education due to the costs will be able to do so after that.

But, for a wide variety of reasons, most of them won't.

Universal debt cancellation is a $1.6 trillion dollar boondoggle directed mostly toward well-off voters who are likely to support Warren, cloaked as a social benefit for "vulnerable populations."

Don't bother trying to sell me on it. If I join that class war, I intend to be on the side of working people.

Funny enough, I’m one of those “working people”. And your implication that by dint of going to college you don’t classify as part of the working class is at best ignorant and at worse disingenuous.

The idea that a bachelor’s degree nowadays is a springboard to high earnings is false in today’s heavily (connections and experience oriented) job market. Most of us are working jobs that we’re overqualified for, making money that’s just enough to get by while spending a huge chunk of our paychecks on paying for the degree that isn’t helping us.

Now I can see the argument that maybe we shouldn’t go to college in the first place, and that could be a fair point to argue. But oftentimes entry-level positions won’t even look at your resume without a college degree, so it’s pretty much a necessity.

And these “targeted proposals” are often bandaids that pussyfoot around the issue without actually solving the the problem. We already have public service loan forgiveness, but it’s sadly being all but ignored by the DeVos-led DoE. So why not take power from the whims of crazy Republican appointees and reshape the entire system? Aim big, but get something done.

[libertpaulian]

This is why Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren will crash and burn in the South:

https://twitter.com/JarrodLoadholt/status/1221152370031308800

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

This is why Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren will crash and burn in the South:

https://twitter.com/JarrodLoadholt/status/1221152370031308800

Isn’t Biden the one who took Acela every day?

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Warren had a bit of a viral moment on the campaign trail yesterday, but not the good kind:

I thought she had plan for everything, but she couldn't answer a simple question. Well, she is used to CNN & MSNBC. They don't ask tough questions.


Bernie and Pete went to Fox News Town Hall. Warren didn't. This video explains why.

[Epaminondas]

This is why Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren will crash and burn in the South

Outside of Virginia the South is a given for the GOP anyway.