Conservative or Republican?

[MaC]

Some states seem to vote out of ideology, while others party.  Label the "red states" as Republican or conservative.  (I'm using both 2000 and 2004 as example, the three states that voted differently will not be in either poll)

Ohio
West Virginia
Virginia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Indiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi
Missouri
Arkansas
Louisiana
Texas
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Kansas
North Dakota
South Dakota
Montana
Idaho
Wyoming
Colorado
Utah
Nevada
Arizona
Alaska

[memphis]

Some states seem to vote out of ideology, while others party.  Label the "red states" as Republican or conservative.  (I'm using both 2000 and 2004 as example, the three states that voted differently will not be in either poll)

Ohio-Republican
West Virginia-Conservative
Virginia-Conservative
North Carolina-Conservative
South Carolina-Conservative
Indiana-Both
Kentucky-Conservative
Tennessee-Conservative
Georgia-Both
Florida-Republican
Alabama-Both
Mississippi-Both
Missouri-Conservative
Arkansas-Conservative
Louisiana-Conservative
Texas-Republican
Oklahoma-Republi0can
Nebraska-Republican
Kansas-Republican
North Dakota-Republican
South Dakota-Republican
Montana-Republican
Idaho-Republican
Wyoming-Republican
Colorado-Republican
Utah-Both
Nevada-Republican
Arizona-Republican
Alaska-Republican

[12th Doctor]

Ohio - Conservative and Republican
West Virginia - Conservative
Virginia - Republican
North Carolina - C&R
South Carolina - C
Indiana - R
Kentucky - C&R
Tennessee - C
Georgia - C&R
Florida - R
Alabama - C
Mississippi - C
Missouri - C&R
Arkansas - C
Louisiana - C&R
Texas - C&R (But more "Republican" as people in Texas aren't that socially conservative)
Oklahoma - C
Nebraska - C&R
Kansas - C
North Dakota - C
South Dakota - C
Montana - R
Idaho - C&R
Wyoming - R
Colorado - R
Utah - C
Nevada - R
Arizona - R
Alaska - C&R

[12th Doctor]

Some states seem to vote out of ideology, while others party.  Label the "red states" as Republican or conservative.  (I'm using both 2000 and 2004 as example, the three states that voted differently will not be in either poll)

Ohio-Republican
West Virginia-Conservative
Virginia-Conservative
North Carolina-Conservative
South Carolina-Conservative
Indiana-Both
Kentucky-Conservative
Tennessee-Conservative
Georgia-Both
Florida-Republican
Alabama-Both
Mississippi-Both
Missouri-Conservative
Arkansas-Conservative
Louisiana-Conservative
Texas-Republican
Oklahoma-Republi0can
Nebraska-Republican
Kansas-Republican
North Dakota-Republican
South Dakota-Republican
Montana-Republican
Idaho-Republican
Wyoming-Republican
Colorado-Republican
Utah-Both
Nevada-Republican
Arizona-Republican
Alaska-Republican

A number of the states you labeled as "Republican" have strongly Democrat elected officials.

[nclib]

Texas - C&R (But more "Republican" as people in Texas aren't that socially conservative)

Please explain.

[12th Doctor]

Texas - C&R (But more "Republican" as people in Texas aren't that socially conservative)

Please explain.

Well, other than the sodemy case, which I don't think most people in Texas were in favor of anyway, Texans tend to be fairly libertarian minded people.  Sex, drugs and homosexuality are just as common in Texas as they are in, say, Florida.  Ever been to Austin?  It is like the San Francisco of the Southwest (people acctually drive around with bumper stickers on their cars that say "Keep Austin Weird").  Just because there is a cultural difference between there and, say NYC, doesn't mean that liberal social norms (kinda an oxymoron) don't manifest themselves.  I would say that, ironically, the most socially conservative part of Texas is probably the majority hispanic area in the south that votes mostly Democrat.

[Gustaf]

Most of them are more or less conservative. One can say taht a number of states, like Arkansas, Lousiana and West Virginia definitely aren't very Republican, but I don't know if any of these are non-conservative. Some are more libertarian I guess (like Alaska or Nevada) but they're still voting their idelogy. Sone are more Republican than they are conservative (i.e. Texas) but I can't really think of any states that vote Republican mostly out of heritage on the presidential level, like was partly the case with some Southern states for Democrats earlier.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Texas - C&R (But more "Republican" as people in Texas aren't that socially conservative)

Please explain.

Well, other than the sodemy case, which I don't think most people in Texas were in favor of anyway, Texans tend to be fairly libertarian minded people.  Sex, drugs and homosexuality are just as common in Texas as they are in, say, Florida.  Ever been to Austin?  It is like the San Francisco of the Southwest (people acctually drive around with bumper stickers on their cars that say "Keep Austin Weird").  Just because there is a cultural difference between there and, say NYC, doesn't mean that liberal social norms (kinda an oxymoron) don't manifest themselves.  I would say that, ironically, the most socially conservative part of Texas is probably the majority hispanic area in the south that votes mostly Democrat.

That's because Austin is the most liberal city in the state. Things certainly aren't the same in Dallas or Houston and certainly not on the panhandle.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Texas - C&R (But more "Republican" as people in Texas aren't that socially conservative)

Please explain.

Well, other than the sodemy case, which I don't think most people in Texas were in favor of anyway, Texans tend to be fairly libertarian minded people.  Sex, drugs and homosexuality are just as common in Texas as they are in, say, Florida.  Ever been to Austin?  It is like the San Francisco of the Southwest (people acctually drive around with bumper stickers on their cars that say "Keep Austin Weird").  Just because there is a cultural difference between there and, say NYC, doesn't mean that liberal social norms (kinda an oxymoron) don't manifest themselves.  I would say that, ironically, the most socially conservative part of Texas is probably the majority hispanic area in the south that votes mostly Democrat.

That's all around daft, it's only the scummy downtown region that is so socialist, socially Texas is VERY conservative (trust me I live there)

[jokerman]

Ohio-Republican
West Virginia-Conservative
Virginia-Conservative
North Carolina-Conservative
South Carolina-Conservative
Indiana-Conservative
Kentucky-Conservative
Tennessee-Conservative
Georgia-Conservative
Florida-Republican
Alabama-Conservative
Mississippi-Conservative
Missouri-Conservative
Arkansas-Conservative
Louisiana-Conservative
Texas-Conservative
Oklahoma-Conservative
Nebraska-Republican
Kansas-Republican
North Dakota-Conservative
South Dakota-Republican
Montana-Conservative
Idaho-Republican
Wyoming-Republican
Colorado-Republican
Utah-Conservative
Nevada-Republican
Arizona-Republican
Alaska-Republican

[Sam Spade]

Texas - C&R (But more "Republican" as people in Texas aren't that socially conservative)

Please explain.

Well, other than the sodemy case, which I don't think most people in Texas were in favor of anyway, Texans tend to be fairly libertarian minded people.  Sex, drugs and homosexuality are just as common in Texas as they are in, say, Florida.  Ever been to Austin?  It is like the San Francisco of the Southwest (people acctually drive around with bumper stickers on their cars that say "Keep Austin Weird").  Just because there is a cultural difference between there and, say NYC, doesn't mean that liberal social norms (kinda an oxymoron) don't manifest themselves.  I would say that, ironically, the most socially conservative part of Texas is probably the majority hispanic area in the south that votes mostly Democrat.

Austin is not Texas.  In fact, drive fifty miles west or south of Austin and you're in extremely socially conservative German immigrant areas (Bavarian, actually).

South Texas is socially conservative, but then again, so is West Texas, North Texas and especially East Texas.  It's only the center of Austin (and certain inner city parts of Dallas and Houston) that's different; why do you think Austinites came up with the slogan to "Keep Austin Weird" anyways?

If you think Texans wanted the sodomy laws overturned, I urge you to visit some other areas of the state.

Texas is conservative, not Republican, actually, to those who might think otherwise.  And more socially conservative than fiscally conservative (fiscally conservative in a blue dog Democrat fashion, really).

[jokerman]

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Which indeed actually means a mix of economic populism and hawkishness on budget issues (especially in regards to balancing the budget)

[Sam Spade]

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Well, it really depends.  Texans don't like taxes very much or regulation very much, but they do like to spend on education.

But on budget issues, you're quite right.

[ChipGardnerNH]

Here is my personal opinion

Alabama: conservative and Republican
Alaska: Republican
Arizona: Republican
Arkansas: conservative
Colorado: Republican
Florida: Republican
Georgia: conservative and Republican
Idaho: Republican
Indiana: conservative and Republican
Kansas: conservative and Republican
Kentucky: conservative and Republican
Louisiana: conservative and Republican
Mississippi: conservative and Republican
Missouri: socially conservative, fiscally liberal, Democratic, but pro-Bush because of social conservatism
Montana: Republican
Nebraska: conservative and Republican
Nevada: Republican
North Carolina: Republican
North Dakota: conservative and Republican
Ohio: Republican
Oklahoma: conservative and Republican
South Carolina: conservative and Republican
South Dakota: conservative and Republican
Tennessee: conservative and Republican
Texas: conservative and Republican
Utah: conservative and Republican
Virginia: Republican
West Virginia: see comment on Missouri
Wyoming: conservative and Republican

Does anyone disagree with me on anything?  If so, discuss.

[Gustaf]

I wouldn't call North Carolina or Montana Republican, both have Democratic state legislatures and Democratic governors. Montana has a Democrat senator and North Carolina has 6 Democratic Representatives versus 7 for the GOP. Neither can be said to display a Republican dominance.

[Joe Biden 2020]

That's because Austin is the most liberal city in the state. Things certainly aren't the same in Dallas or Houston and certainly not on the panhandle.

I have a friend who is a Non-Denominational Pastor in Robertson, TX (5 miles south of Waco on US-77), just 100 miles north of Austin, and he says Austin is becoming kind of like the San Francisco/Santa Fe/Vermont/Massachusetts of the Southern Plains in that they have more people of the GLBT and other "alternative lifestyles" concentrated in Austin.

So, you're right that its probably the most liberal city in Texas and the entire Southern Plains.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I'm going to use "Republican" as to the left of "Conservative" but to the right of center.

Ohio - Lean Republican
West Virginia - Republican
Virginia - Republican
North Carolina - Republican
South Carolina - Conservative
Indiana - Republican
Kentucky - Conservative
Tennessee - Republican
Georgia - Conservative
Florida - Republican
Alabama - Conservative
Mississippi - Conservative
Missouri - Republican
Arkansas - Republican
Louisiana - Conservative
Texas - Conservative
Oklahoma - Moderately Conservative
Nebraska - Conservative
Kansas - Conservative
North Dakota - Republican
South Dakota - Republican
Montana - Republican
Idaho - VERY Conservative
Wyoming -  VERY Conservative
Colorado - Slightly Right of Center
Utah - VERY Conservative
Nevada - Republican
Arizona - Republican
Alaska - Conservative