What did Hood (MS), Maddox (AL), Dean (TN), do wrong in their bids?
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« on: November 08, 2019, 08:52:59 PM »

All centrist white male Southerners.

What did they do wrong?

Is the GOP maxed out in rural areas that they could not get white crossover voters?
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 09:06:02 PM »

What the hell would make you think voters in those states would want a centrist?
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 09:09:11 PM »

Nothing, the states are way too red and inelastic to elect Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 09:24:07 PM »

Running in MS, AL, and TN.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 09:28:27 PM »

What the hell would make you think voters in those states would want a centrist?

Centrist Southern Democrats like Bredesen, Ronnie Musgrove, Jim Folsom Jr. won in those areas.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2019, 09:34:28 PM »

What the hell would make you think voters in those states would want a centrist?

Centrist Southern Democrats like Bredesen, Ronnie Musgrove, Jim Folsom Jr. won in those areas.

You really need to get with times, bronzie
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2019, 10:14:31 PM »

Hood isn’t comparable to Dean/Mattox.

Hood had a record of statewide wins, and only lost by 6 pts.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2019, 10:17:06 PM »

What the hell would make you think voters in those states would want a centrist?

Centrist Southern Democrats like Bredesen, Ronnie Musgrove, Jim Folsom Jr. won in those areas.

Yes, before they all lost.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2019, 10:25:38 PM »

They didn’t run against an extremely unpopular incumbent governor.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2019, 10:31:49 PM »

Be Democrats.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2019, 11:27:57 PM »

Hood isn’t comparable to Dean/Mattox.

Hood had a record of statewide wins, and only lost by 6 pts.

6 points might as well be 20 in a state as static as MS.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2019, 12:47:53 AM »

Run as Democrats.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2019, 09:20:21 AM »

Hood isn’t comparable to Dean/Mattox.

Hood had a record of statewide wins, and only lost by 6 pts.

6 points might as well be 20 in a state as static as MS.

lolwut.

You do realize that all the other Dems on Mississippi's statewide ballot lost by >20pts?  Hood outrunning them significantly really disproves the "muh ineleastic Deep South" myth.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2019, 02:42:57 PM »

What the hell would make you think voters in those states would want a centrist?

Centrist Southern Democrats like Bredesen, Ronnie Musgrove, Jim Folsom Jr. won in those areas.

They lost too, and besides the last, to some real nutjobs at that.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2019, 02:51:16 PM »

Elections generally became too nationalized. Even Ross Barnett would (in most cases) lose in present day Mississippi:not because he was a racist, but because of "D" after his name. Hood could even win - if he was extremely lucky, but it simply didn't happen.... One of the problem of present day Democratic party in the South: you must be a "national Democrat" to win primary (which is, frequently. minority-dominated), but in such case you have little chances in general. The fact, that many (most - in many states) Democratic candidates in the South are Black usually is not especially helpful in general election too.
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2019, 02:57:05 PM »

Elections generally became too nationalized. Even Ross Barnett would (in most cases) lose in present day Mississippi:not because he was a racist, but because of "D" after his name. Hood could even win - if he was extremely lucky, but it simply didn't happen.... One of the problem of present day Democratic party in the South: you must be a "national Democrat" to win primary (which is, frequently. minority-dominated), but in such case you have little chances in general. The fact, that many (most - in many states) Democratic candidates in the South are Black usually is not especially helpful in general election too.

Eh, one of them simply ran in Always-Votes-Republican-By 0.001-1%-Florida, and another one of them would've won if their opponent had not happened to be the Secretary of State that  just happened to get rid of just enough people to stay ahead.

And of course the #MeToo character Justin Fairfax didn't have any problems winning in 2017, even outperforming the other white candidates in the most heavily GOP area.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2019, 03:40:19 PM »

Elections generally became too nationalized. Even Ross Barnett would (in most cases) lose in present day Mississippi:not because he was a racist, but because of "D" after his name. Hood could even win - if he was extremely lucky, but it simply didn't happen.... One of the problem of present day Democratic party in the South: you must be a "national Democrat" to win primary (which is, frequently. minority-dominated), but in such case you have little chances in general. The fact, that many (most - in many states) Democratic candidates in the South are Black usually is not especially helpful in general election too.

Eh, one of them simply ran in Always-Votes-Republican-By 0.001-1%-Florida, and another one of them would've won if their opponent had not happened to be the Secretary of State that  just happened to get rid of just enough people to stay ahead.

And of course the #MeToo character Justin Fairfax didn't have any problems winning in 2017, even outperforming the other white candidates in the most heavily GOP area.

You are aware those allegations came out over a year after he won?
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2019, 03:45:41 PM »

Elections generally became too nationalized. Even Ross Barnett would (in most cases) lose in present day Mississippi:not because he was a racist, but because of "D" after his name. Hood could even win - if he was extremely lucky, but it simply didn't happen.... One of the problem of present day Democratic party in the South: you must be a "national Democrat" to win primary (which is, frequently. minority-dominated), but in such case you have little chances in general. The fact, that many (most - in many states) Democratic candidates in the South are Black usually is not especially helpful in general election too.

Eh, one of them simply ran in Always-Votes-Republican-By 0.001-1%-Florida, and another one of them would've won if their opponent had not happened to be the Secretary of State that  just happened to get rid of just enough people to stay ahead.

And of course the #MeToo character Justin Fairfax didn't have any problems winning in 2017, even outperforming the other white candidates in the most heavily GOP area.

You are aware those allegations came out over a year after he won?

And that Fairfax won in Virginia, which isn't a typical Southern state anymore? We speak here about Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, not Florida, Georgia (Atlanta-dominated soon) or Virginia..
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2019, 04:01:34 PM »

Elections generally became too nationalized. Even Ross Barnett would (in most cases) lose in present day Mississippi:not because he was a racist, but because of "D" after his name. Hood could even win - if he was extremely lucky, but it simply didn't happen.... One of the problem of present day Democratic party in the South: you must be a "national Democrat" to win primary (which is, frequently. minority-dominated), but in such case you have little chances in general. The fact, that many (most - in many states) Democratic candidates in the South are Black usually is not especially helpful in general election too.

Eh, one of them simply ran in Always-Votes-Republican-By 0.001-1%-Florida, and another one of them would've won if their opponent had not happened to be the Secretary of State that  just happened to get rid of just enough people to stay ahead.

And of course the #MeToo character Justin Fairfax didn't have any problems winning in 2017, even outperforming the other white candidates in the most heavily GOP area.

You are aware those allegations came out over a year after he won?

And that Fairfax won in Virginia, which isn't a typical Southern state anymore? We speak here about Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, not Florida, Georgia (Atlanta-dominated soon) or Virginia..

The same Florida in which the GOP beat an incumbent Democratic Senator in a Blue Wave Midterm?
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2019, 01:22:44 AM »

Elections generally became too nationalized. Even Ross Barnett would (in most cases) lose in present day Mississippi:not because he was a racist, but because of "D" after his name. Hood could even win - if he was extremely lucky, but it simply didn't happen.... One of the problem of present day Democratic party in the South: you must be a "national Democrat" to win primary (which is, frequently. minority-dominated), but in such case you have little chances in general. The fact, that many (most - in many states) Democratic candidates in the South are Black usually is not especially helpful in general election too.

Eh, one of them simply ran in Always-Votes-Republican-By 0.001-1%-Florida, and another one of them would've won if their opponent had not happened to be the Secretary of State that  just happened to get rid of just enough people to stay ahead.

And of course the #MeToo character Justin Fairfax didn't have any problems winning in 2017, even outperforming the other white candidates in the most heavily GOP area.

You are aware those allegations came out over a year after he won?

And that Fairfax won in Virginia, which isn't a typical Southern state anymore? We speak here about Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, not Florida, Georgia (Atlanta-dominated soon) or Virginia..

The same Florida in which the GOP beat an incumbent Democratic Senator in a Blue Wave Midterm?

Florida will be swing state (though - with very inept Democratic party) in foreseable future, Tennessee, Mississippi and Alabama - not...
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2019, 09:05:16 AM »

They ran as Democrats.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2019, 10:38:11 AM »




I think it might also be because they ran as Democrats.
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2019, 06:38:51 PM »


They didn’t run against an extremely unpopular incumbent governor.

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2019, 10:15:11 AM »

MS, AL, and TN are structurally Republican, all the way down to local offices nowadays.  This is a fundamental change from the bifurcated politics that made these states Republican at the Presidential level (except when a non-liberal Southerner ran) but Democratic at the state and local level.

The 1994 elections began the long march to where every Southern legislative chamber has become Republican.  The only statewide elected Democrat are in VA (a unique case), FL (only one), and NC (the Governor).  Nothing in "swing state" GA. Nothing in TX.  Why Edwards should be an underdog ought to be obvious. 

It wasn't always this way.  Edwin Edwards crushed David Treen in his 1983 comeback, on the heels of a Reagan landslide.  John Kennedy was a Democrat until 2005.  What has happened is that Louisiana is an oil state and the National Democratic Party has taken an unabashed stance against the Fossil Fuel industry.  How hard is this to figure out?
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2019, 10:31:15 AM »

ran as democrats against Republicans that were relatively scandal-free
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