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« on: November 07, 2019, 07:30:24 PM »

Pritzker has passed a slew of progressive legislation when it seems all Murphy is able to do are insane gun laws.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2019, 07:35:24 PM »

Democrats in Chicago dominate Springfield; whereas, in Trenton, there isn't a dominant big city party to control Jersey politics. This is why Booker failed as a candidate, due to Kamala Harris overtaking him in the media, early on, due to California politics.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2019, 08:14:52 PM »

Madigan and Co. are more interested in actually getting progressive legislation through, whereas the NJ ones...not really.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 10:04:03 AM »
« Edited: November 08, 2019, 08:06:00 PM by Zaybay »

The IL Democratic Machine is lead by one group, Madigan's faction. Whatever Madigan wants to get passed gets passed, and Pritzker has used his great relationship with him to get many Progressive policies through. The IL Dems are also just more Progressive in general, as most hail from the Chicago metro.

The NJ Democratic Machine, in a stark contrast, isnt really united. It has two warring factions, the Northern faction, lead by governor Murphy, and the Southern faction, led by Sweeney. The Northern Dems tend to be much more progressive, and the Southern Dems conservative. The thing is that if either faction tries to make a move, the other faction will usually attempt to stymie them as much as possible. In the case of progressive reform, its usually been Sweeney blocking Murphy's agenda(though this is not always the case, there have been instances where the southern NJ Dems have tried to push progressive policies opposed by Murphy). Interestingly enough, the losses suffered by the NJ Dems during this recent election may actually benefit Murphy, as the losers were predominantly Sweeney's cronies.

So, to summarize, one state has a united machine while the other state has two machines that would rather embarrass the other than actually pass legislation.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 11:12:25 AM »

The perception that Madigan is the dog and the unions are the tail might not exactly get the causation right here.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2019, 07:04:03 PM »

The IL Democratic Machine is lead by one group, Madigan's faction. Whatever Madigan wants to get passed gets passed, and Pritzker has used his great relationship with him to get many Progressive policies passed. The IL Dems are also just more Progressive in general, as most hail from the Chicago metro.

The NJ Democratic Machine, in a stark contrast, isnt really united. It has two warring factions, the Northern faction, lead by governor Murphy, and the Southern faction, led by Sweeney. The Northern Dems tend to be much more progressive, and the Southern Dems conservative. The thing is that if either faction try to make a move, the other faction tries to stymie them as much as possible. In the case of progressive reform, its usually been Sweeney blocking Murphy's agenda(though this is not always the case). Interestingly enough, the losses suffered by the NJ Dems during this recent election may actually benefit Murphy, as the losers were predominantly Sweeney's cronies.

So, to summarize, one state has a united machine while the other state has two machines that would rather embarrass the other than actually pass legislation.

Bingo! That's why for me the night only really looked truly bad for Democrats when the Republican candidates were leading in my northern district, the 38th. Sure, the Democrats lost seats, but shedding a couple conservative to moderate Democrats might not actually be such a bad thing in the grand scheme of things, for the reasons you've pointed out.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2019, 08:26:15 PM »

The IL Democratic Machine is lead by one group, Madigan's faction. Whatever Madigan wants to get passed gets passed, and Pritzker has used his great relationship with him to get many Progressive policies through. The IL Dems are also just more Progressive in general, as most hail from the Chicago metro.

The NJ Democratic Machine, in a stark contrast, isnt really united. It has two warring factions, the Northern faction, lead by governor Murphy, and the Southern faction, led by Sweeney. The Northern Dems tend to be much more progressive, and the Southern Dems conservative. The thing is that if either faction tries to make a move, the other faction will usually attempt to stymie them as much as possible. In the case of progressive reform, its usually been Sweeney blocking Murphy's agenda(though this is not always the case, there have been instances where the southern NJ Dems have tried to push progressive policies opposed by Murphy). Interestingly enough, the losses suffered by the NJ Dems during this recent election may actually benefit Murphy, as the losers were predominantly Sweeney's cronies.

So, to summarize, one state has a united machine while the other state has two machines that would rather embarrass the other than actually pass legislation.

This.

The North-South Jersey Democratic political war will only get worse.

Sweeney, Van Drew, Norcross are more conservative than the Joe DiVincenzo-Codey-Murphy wing of the NJ Democratic Party.

IL, NJ, MD Democratic Parties are machine politics.

Murphy can win a second term.

But Jersey suburban Democrats (Sarlo, Sweeney, Bob Smith, Vitale, Coughlin) are more moderate than Murphy.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2019, 08:48:11 PM »

It'll be interesting what VA Dems will be able to accomplish. VA Dems are a whole different beast from IL & NJ no godfather figure like Madigan or party machine running things. It's basically NOVA Dems who are predominately progressive and the black caucus who are all over the place ideologically, with a few blue dogs here and there.  
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2019, 10:30:56 PM »

It'll be interesting what VA Dems will be able to accomplish. VA Dems are a whole different beast from IL & NJ no godfather figure like Madigan or party machine running things. It's basically NOVA Dems who are predominately progressive and the black caucus who are all over the place ideologically, with a few blue dogs here and there.  
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Sure they dont have as much power but you literally have a 1 vote margin which depends on a child rapist.
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