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« on: November 04, 2019, 09:59:17 AM »


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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2019, 10:01:10 AM »

As goes Iran, so goes the world.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2019, 10:05:07 AM »
« Edited: November 04, 2019, 10:11:28 AM by Sir Mohamed »

Mr. Trump broke the deal for no reason other than the right telling him to so and damaged our credibility long term. If he got the 2015 deal, he'd be running around and say how this is proof he's the best negotiator in the world. For sure, the agreement was far from perfect and Iran is a horrible regime, but breakling to deal is one of the biggest foreign policy blunders since W invaded Iraq.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2019, 10:18:11 AM »

This pretty much makes a nuclear Iran or a war with Iran inevitable. That basically was on the 2016 ballot.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2019, 10:28:01 AM »

America should drop all sanctions on Iran regardless of whatever they do with nuclear stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2019, 01:22:24 PM »

America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters and monthly claiming they will wipe a specific country they don't even admit exists off the map.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2019, 01:35:05 PM »

The right wing/neoliberal Israel fetish is destructive. News at eleven.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2019, 04:14:29 PM »

Of course they are.
trump gave them an avenue to do what they want, so they are taking advantage of it.
trump broke the deal, so why do they need to comply with their promises in the deal?
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2019, 05:02:39 PM »

 Moron Trump and his dumb foreign policy. Do you also see Trump telling Israel to stand down or them listening to him even if he does on a possible Iran attack.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2019, 05:39:51 PM »

I was pretty iffy on this, but at this point the main problem in getting a new nuclear agreement is the lack of unity among American allies and states that haven't withdrawn from the JCPOA. Iran is openly violating it and countries like Germany, France, and China refuse to take any action, except to oppose the US withdrawal, even as Iran openly violates it without formally withdrawing itself.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2019, 06:50:47 PM »
« Edited: November 04, 2019, 06:57:23 PM by Progressive Pessimist »

This pretty much makes a nuclear Iran or a war with Iran inevitable. That basically was on the 2016 ballot.

Sadly, few people actually cared about making an informed decision on this important issue, and now the world is going to suffer for it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2019, 06:56:22 PM »

America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters and monthly claiming they will wipe a specific country they don't even admit exists off the map.

How many other countries would that apply to. If we removed the continual death to America / death to Israel cult chant, he would probably apply to the majority of those in the world.

Not saying I disagree with your sentiment about the Iranian government, but we have to be at least reasonably consistent in our application of sanctions for human rights abuses.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2019, 07:35:47 PM »
« Edited: November 05, 2019, 03:42:34 AM by Associate Justice PiT »

America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters
Do you support sanctions on Saudi Arabia as well, then?
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2019, 07:46:46 PM »

America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters and monthly claiming they will wipe a specific country they don't even admit exists off the map.

So you're fine with sanctions on China, Saudi Arabia, pretty much half of the countries in Africa and Asia?
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2019, 09:04:19 PM »
« Edited: November 05, 2019, 03:46:16 AM by Associate Justice PiT »

America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters and monthly claiming they will wipe a specific country they don't even admit exists off the map.

How many other countries would that apply to. If we removed the continual death to America / death to Israel cult chant, he would probably apply to the majority of those in the world.
yep, I'm cool with that
America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters
Do you support sanctions on Saudi Arabia as well, then?
yes
America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters and monthly claiming they will wipe a specific country they don't even admit exists off the map.

So you're fine with sanctions on China, Saudi Arabia, pretty much half of the countries in Africa and Asia?
yes
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2019, 09:55:58 PM »
« Edited: November 05, 2019, 09:10:33 AM by Crumpets »

This isn't a Trump failure. This is exactly what Trump wanted to have happen when he withdrew from the agreement. It lets him play his brand of fear politics while delegitimizing our allies in Europe. He'd do the same with North Korea if Kim wasn't so good at schmoozing him and giving him photo ops.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2019, 10:56:15 PM »

Color me surprised.  Roll Eyes

This is an entirely predictable consequence of Trump's decision to withdraw from President Obama's nuclear deal.   
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2019, 06:07:22 AM »

America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters and monthly claiming they will wipe a specific country they don't even admit exists off the map.

How many other countries would that apply to. If we removed the continual death to America / death to Israel cult chant, he would probably apply to the majority of those in the world.
yep, I'm cool with that
America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters
Do you support sanctions on Saudi Arabia as well, then?
yes
America should have all the sanctions on Iran until they stop hanging gays, jailing/beating/raping protesters and monthly claiming they will wipe a specific country they don't even admit exists off the map.

So you're fine with sanctions on China, Saudi Arabia, pretty much half of the countries in Africa and Asia?
yes

While I respect your consistency, Iran has already been heavily sanctioned (not to mention the U.S. playing a role in engineering a destructive was that claimed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iranian lives in the 80s), and it didn't really work. Just like decades of sanctions, plots and isolation didn't erode the regime in Cuba. Engaging Iran would have better chances at changing things, because all that's been done only strengthened their hardline elements, thus adding new fuel to their genuinely disturbing rhetoric and oppressive ways. Yes, it does sound like dropping the human rights element, but it actually have better chances of advancing it, instead of old dysfunctional policy.
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