Should conservatives be allowed to get affirmitive action in grading?

[phk]

Should conservatives be allowed to get affirmitive action in grading?

[Alcon]

Didn't you post this several months ago and didn't no one care back then, too?

[phk]

Didn't you post this several months ago and didn't no one care back then, too?

It got close to 20 responses and that was on David Horowitz's bill on allowing conservatives to get affirmitive action admission into liberal universities.

[dazzleman]

What exactly does this mean?  It isn't clear to me.

[phk]

What exactly does this mean?  It isn't clear to me.

Conservatives students are performing poorly vis-a-vis liberal students in universities.

How can we fix that?

[MODU]

What exactly does this mean?  It isn't clear to me.

Conservatives students are performing poorly vis-a-vis liberal students in universities.

How can we fix that?

Start with your grammar.    Secondly, it's a stupid concept to even attempt to grade how "conservatives" and "liberals" perform in schools, when as we have here on our own site people who are both conservative and liberals when it comes to different topics. 

[dazzleman]

What exactly does this mean?  It isn't clear to me.

Conservatives students are performing poorly vis-a-vis liberal students in universities.

How can we fix that?

What are the statistics, and who is keeping them?

[phk]

What exactly does this mean?  It isn't clear to me.

Conservatives students are performing poorly vis-a-vis liberal students in universities.

How can we fix that?

What are the statistics, and who is keeping them?

Probably David Horowitz.

[Everett]

Bring out the evidence.

[phk]

Bring out the evidence.

http://www.aaup-ca.org/Larkin_abor.html

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/

David Horowitz claims that professors grade down conservative students.

[dazzleman]

Bring out the evidence.

http://www.aaup-ca.org/Larkin_abor.html

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/

David Horowitz claims that professors grade down conservative students.

He's probably right.

[AuH2O]

Impressive that Republicans have so much to donate then, isn't it, if they did poorly in school?

[phk]

Impressive that Republicans have so much to donate then, isn't it, if they did poorly in school?

Ah yes, Kevin Federline and Britney Spears were on the verge of becoming the next Einsteins.

[AuH2O]

They're the financial backbone of the GOP? Who knew.

[The Duke]

Bring out the evidence.

http://www.aaup-ca.org/Larkin_abor.html

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/

David Horowitz claims that professors grade down conservative students.

He's probably right.

I certainly don't doubt it!

I got a C+ in basic US government.  Yeah, we get graded down for our beliefs.

[opebo]

Impressive that Republicans have so much to donate then, isn't it, if they did poorly in school?

You poor deluded, intelligence and academic acheivment have nothing to do with wealth.

Phnkrocket, excellent thread!  And I'm presuming it is in response to some of dazzleman's recent resentful comments about 'liberal' academia?

The poor upper-middle-class white male is beset at every turn - by the feminists, by the uppity black, and even by liberals at his alma mater!

[7,052,770]

Bring out the evidence.

http://www.aaup-ca.org/Larkin_abor.html

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/

David Horowitz claims that professors grade down conservative students.

He's probably right.

I certainly don't doubt it!

I certainly DO doubt it...that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...

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Of course not. Professors should have the right to fail idiots.

[A18]

That's why no one has suggested affirmative action for you.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Bring out the evidence.

http://www.aaup-ca.org/Larkin_abor.html

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/

David Horowitz claims that professors grade down conservative students.

He's probably right.

I certainly don't doubt it!

I got a C+ in basic US government.  Yeah, we get graded down for our beliefs.

No, you just didn't the work that was expected of you in the course. You can quit blaming liberals for your poor academic performance.

[Blue Rectangle]

Bring out the evidence.

http://www.aaup-ca.org/Larkin_abor.html

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/

David Horowitz claims that professors grade down conservative students.

He's probably right.

I certainly don't doubt it!

I got a C+ in basic US government.  Yeah, we get graded down for our beliefs.

No, you just didn't the work that was expected of you in the course. You can quit blaming liberals for your poor academic performance.

I got good grades in my liberal arts classes by telling the professors what they wanted to hear.  I saw other students get graded down on well-written and well-reasoned papers that argued conservative viewpoints.  This was at the most conservative public university campus in Colorado.

Liberal professors often claim that they are grading you on the strength of your argument, not the argument itself.  The problem is, it is human nature to view an argument you agree with as well reasoned and a position you disagree with as illogical.  Thus, you will always be graded higher for regurgitating back what your prof told you in class.

[Dave from Michigan]

no, I've had some liberal professor (some that have came out and said it.  But have never been graded down because of my conservative views.  In
one short paper i attacked president Roosevelt.  Earlier in the semester the went on on how great he was, and called a guy who wrote a book attacking him a stupid bastard.  I got a B  (I wrote the short paper
 in 20 minutes and personally though it was C work)

[Gustaf]

Some teachers are quite biased. But the truth is, if you really deserve a good grade you will still get it most of the time. My social science teacher is pretty left-wing and a lot of the pupils are quite conservatiev. When they recieve poor grades they often blame the views. But that's mostly because they're arrogant idiots. And arrogant idiots argue badly.

I wrote a paper in religion where I argued that the concept of evil and an after-life are essential for a working, humane society, and I'm almost 100% sure that my teacher is an atheits (always going on about the evils of Europe and Christianity), but I still recieved a solid top grade. I could cite a ton of exmaples like these. You can always adapt to the situation, I think.

[ag]

I guess, I might be one of the few college professors here.

To the students out here: relax - after years in universities in all possible capacities, I am still to meet an actual professor who "grades down" (or up) because of political views. These might exist, but they are a rarity. The real problem is that when students get passionate about something, frequently, their ability to think and express themselves logically frequently goes out of the window (something that is quite evident on this forum as well). Every semester I have a student show up in my office saying that he wants to "show that xy^%^^& is inefficient" and should be corrected by x$%^. Upon a fifteen-minute conversation it nearly invariably turns out that the student does not actually understand a single word in his/her original statement.  I am certain, that upon exiting my office the student thinks that I am a right-wing (left-wing) SOB, who hates fresh ideas - whereas I simply can't find any ideas of his to like or dislike. To be on the safe side, I avoid stating political preferences to my students until the day they graduate. Not all my colleagues are as careful, but I haven't seen any who'd punish a student for an ideiological position.
 
I guess, what we (professors), as a group, might be partial towards, is a certain academic mindset: propensity for abstract analytical thinking. I entered college (an eternity ago) as a passionate anti-communist and a wholesome conservative in almost every sense, and was never shy about expressing this to my professors (including a few outright communists): not one of them ever thought of giving me a low grade. I can see myself now with their eyes: I was amusing, exasperating at times, but recognizable to them as a future colleague (and clearly interested in whatever useful they could teach me). I also tend to like students whom I see as future faculty - their ideology (which will change 15 times by their graduation) being entirely irrelevant.  Perhaps,  some of you find it easier to mimic the professorial mindset by copying also the stated ideological position, but if you could cogently present your own, using the techniques taught to you in class, that would get you the highest grade with almost any instructor.

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But Republicans find it so much better to go "Waaaah, I liberals failed me in all of my courses, waaah".