Is Bush pro-Islam?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Let's look at the facts:

-He's said "Religion of peace" more than anyone else.
-He's met with many prominent Islamic leaders
-He's a very good friend of the human trash running Saudi Arabia
-He has never said anything criticial about Islam
-He has said many times things along the lines of that Muslim terrorists are a vast minority who have distorted the religion which really does not promote violence at all

But no, we all know it's really "politically correct liberals" who love Islam so much

[A18]

I don't know, but for someone who's so pro-Islam, he sure lost a lot of the Muslim vote in 2004.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I don't know, but for someone who's so pro-Islam, he sure lost a lot of the Muslim vote in 2004.

Despite taking over 80% of it in 2000.

[A18]

I don't know, but for someone who's so pro-Islam, he sure lost a lot of the Muslim vote in 2004.

Despite taking over 80% of it in 2000.

These "pro-Islam" actions were taken after that election.

[opebo]

He's pro-monotheism, and those are all the same.  So yes. 

He's probably against the less awful religions like Buddhism, anamism, etc. 

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Let's look at the facts:

Why on Earth do you even care?

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I doubt that's true, and it seems irrelevent in any case.

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Bearing in mind the state of the World post-9/11 I don't see the problem with that. Frankly it'd be worrying if he *wasn't* doing that...

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Now, why on Earth would the leader of an industrialised country want to keep on good terms with the leader of a country that just happens to be sitting on the largest known reserves of a strange black liquid in the World?

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Bearing in mind the state of the World I really, really don't see the problem with that...

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So? He isn't all that far off. Fundamentally Islam isn't an especially violent religion (yes, yes, it is more violent than Christianity. And? The central figure of Christianity is the preacher son of a carpenter. That's not exactly the norm for religions) and the loony sect responsible for the current troubles is (thank God) a tiny minority outside the Southwest of the Arabian peninsula. Islam is basically Christianity's cousin and like Christianity there is a tremendous diversity in theology, traditions and almost everything else.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Let's look at the facts:

Why on Earth do you even care?

Because of the claims of the right that it is really leftists who support Islam and "political correctness" means loving Islam.

As for your last point, you point out that the central figure of Christianity is the preacher son of a carpenter who also killed no one. The central figure of Islam is a violent Arabian warlord and noted polygamist and pedophile. One is clearly more violent.

[Jake]

Al ripped you a second asshole. Please STFU now.

[MODU]

He is not anti-Islam if that is what you are asking.  He might not actually be pro-Islam.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Because of the claims of the right that it is really leftists who support Islam and "political correctness" means loving Islam.

I think you need to stop taking things so personally; calm down a bit and people might start listening to what you have to say.

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True; but the point is that it is extremely unusual for the central figure of a religion, any religion, to have that sort of background. It happens to be one of the biggest differences between Christianity and other religions; it gives (or at least it *should* give. Not always been the case, sadly) the overall religion an egalitarian feel, which is, IMO anyway, one reason for it's longlasting popularity.

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Violent by the standards of nowadays... yes. Of course. By the standards of Arabia at the time? Hell no.

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Nothing unusual about that at that time and in that place

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Not so. First off there's a big dispute (that's been going on for more than just a few centuries) as to how old a certain wife was, and also remember that at the time, and for several reasons, it was very, very common for people to marry women of an age that we would consider to be very young indeed.
There was a *lot* of paedophilia in Arabia before Mohammed came along though... one of the reasons for the rigid morality of Islam is quite how disgusting the dominant culture in that part of the World was before Mohammed.

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Well yes, obviously, but that's not really the point. Compare Mohammed to the central figures of non-Abrahamic religions... for all his flaws he comes off pretty well.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Because of the claims of the right that it is really leftists who support Islam and "political correctness" means loving Islam.

I think you need to stop taking things so personally; calm down a bit and people might start listening to what you have to say.

It's not reasonable to be annoyed by crap like this?

Why am I not surprised?  We are supposed to be oh so tolerant of a religion that condones terrorism and espouses hatred of all 'infidels,' but we should show no tolerance toward the religion of 90% of the American people.  This is typical leftist politically correct s&$t.  You should get your parents to raise holy hell about it.

True; but the point is that it is extremely unusual for the central figure of a religion, any religion, to have that sort of background. It happens to be one of the biggest differences between Christianity and other religions; it gives (or at least it *should* give. Not always been the case, sadly) the overall religion an egalitarian feel, which is, IMO anyway, one reason for it's longlasting popularity.

While true, I can't think of many other violent religious figures, outside of a few rather recent cult leaders.

Well yes, obviously, but that's not really the point. Compare Mohammed to the central figures of non-Abrahamic religions... for all his flaws he comes off pretty well.

Like who? Buddha was a pretty peaceful cool guy.

[Citizen James]

If you are trying to prove that you are more of a bigot that most modern republicans, you are succeeding wonderfully.

I don't have many good things to say about Bush, but with a few exceptions like the "crusade" slip a few years back, and not relegating nutcases like Boykin to some backwater post where they can't do much harm; he's generally put forward a fairly tollerant face on Islam.  He has had at least the sense to quietly rebuke the "nuke Mecca" nutcases in his own party and so on.

[phk]

Islam is incompatible with Western Liberalism, well religion in general is incompatible with having an advanced society as religion is inherently anti-technology, anti-science and anti-education.

[MODU]

Islam is incompatible with Western Liberalism, well religion in general is incompatible with having an advanced society as religion is inherently anti-technology, anti-science and anti-education.

*dies laughin*  Ok, keep believing that.  *dies laughin*

[phk]

Islam is incompatible with Western Liberalism, well religion in general is incompatible with having an advanced society as religion is inherently anti-technology, anti-science and anti-education.

*dies laughin*  Ok, keep believing that.  *dies laughin*

It can be proven via standardized tests that secular students overperform religous ones.

Actually, one truly just has to look at the difference between San Jose and Fresno.

[PBrunsel]

It would it have been very smart for the president to come out on September 12th, 2001, and delcare, "Now we all are going to kick some Muslim asses amd take names. That damned pedophile Muham-MUhama- Cheney knows his name, had screwed with our national interests one time too many. We are goiung to raise hell and condemn and destroy all Muslims. Welomce to thje Crusades 2001."

You know, that might have started Holy War and there would be many more casulties now in Afghanistan and Iraq than there are in this actual reality.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If you are trying to prove that you are more of a bigot that most modern republicans, you are succeeding wonderfully.

Not about being bigoted, but rather rebuking the moronic "politically correct" strawman.

[MODU]

Islam is incompatible with Western Liberalism, well religion in general is incompatible with having an advanced society as religion is inherently anti-technology, anti-science and anti-education.

*dies laughin*  Ok, keep believing that.  *dies laughin*

It can be proven via standardized tests that secular students overperform religous ones.

Actually, one truly just has to look at the difference between San Jose and Fresno.

See my comment in the other thread.  The same holds true with "religious" and "non-religious" people.  And when more than 75% of the nation identifies with one form of religion or another, I highly doubt that the other 25% is smarter than the majority.

[opebo]

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Not so. First off there's a big dispute (that's been going on for more than just a few centuries) as to how old a certain wife was, and also remember that at the time, and for several reasons, it was very, very common for people to marry women of an age that we would consider to be very young indeed.

Yes, they had the right idea.  Prudery has overtaken the world.

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Freedom will always be destroyed by the forces of social control, Al.  Most people are prudes.  I would love to know more about those wonderful times before the tyrant mohammed came along!  I suppose prostitution was commonplace?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well if true than maybe people should quit making the idiotic argument that "politically correct" leftists love Islam?

[A18]

You don't seem to realize that your being a bigot doesn't mean the majority of liberals are just like you.

[J. J.]

First of all, I'm overjoyed that people from all edges of the spectrum are pointing out how bigoted some of BRTD's comments are.

On religious matters, George W. Bush is tolerant (I would say that of Clinton).  I see no problem with a leader of a country that constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion as being tolerant of a particular religion.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

First of all, I'm overjoyed that people from all edges of the spectrum are pointing out how bigoted some of BRTD's comments are.

On religious matters, George W. Bush is tolerant (I would say that of Clinton).  I see no problem with a leader of a country that constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion as being tolerant of a particular religion.

Yet for some reason dazzleman never accuses you of being "politically correct".

If I was pro-Islam, the righties would accuse me of being PC. Since I'm not, I'm accused of being a bigot. No win situation. Explain how to be neither PC or a bigot then.

[MODU]

BRTD,

The question boils down to this:  "So what if Bush is pro-Islam (or more correctly, he's not anti-Islam)?"

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BRTD,

The question boils down to this:  "So what if Bush is pro-Islam (or more correctly, he's not anti-Islam)?"

You probably don't care, and there's no reason you should. The problem is the idiotic double standard righties use. Bush's views on Islam are exactly what dazzleman calls politically correct, and if any leftist behaved the same way as Bush he'd be crucifying him for supporting Islam. But Bush gets a free pass. And when a leftist like me criticizes Islam, I get labeled a bigot. Basically it appears to dazzleman and other righties, any right winger's views on Islam can never be wrong, while any leftist is either "politically correct" or a bigot.