Impeachment megathread Part 2

[Person Man]

Imagine the reverse scenario: Obama asked a foreign country invaded by Russia to investigate a GOP contender for his political gain (and phony reasons) and holds back US aid that is aimed to stop Russian aggression. Democrats then attack a lieutenant who confirmed allegations against Obama and served in battle and received a Purple Heart as a spy and traitor.

What would the GOP do? They wouldn't just impeach him... But right, President Obama had so much honor, he would have never done that and any comparison with Mr. Trump is an insult to our 44th prez.

One of the major lessons of the Trump era will be the GOP exposed for complete hypocrisy. They are for sure not the party of the military and "law and order". Mr. Trump claiming to be a law & order prez is a laughingstock.

Absolutely. It's hard to even imagine the magnitude of the GOP lynchmob if Obama had done even a tenth of what Trump has done.

He would be dead, there would be a coup, or both.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/GottaLaff/status/1189348033961615360

I missed this bit yesterday:

"included Trump’s assertion that there were recordings of Biden discussing Ukraine corruption"

Now, maybe that's just Donald lying like he usually does. But given how often he accuses others of abusing power to spy on him and his propensity for projection, it seem plausible that Donald accessed or had created recordings of Biden's phone calls.

[GP270watch]

 Attacking all these career service people to defend Trump is shameful. Trump is a person who has no record of service. Also look at these characters that Trump and Rudy were associating with like Lev Parnas on the Ukraine scandal. Just look into Lev Parnas shady background of fraud and questionable associations.

[Sir Mohamed]

Attacking all these career service people to defend Trump is shameful. Trump is a person who has no record of service. Also look at these characters that Trump and Rudy were associating with like Lev Parnas on the Ukraine scandal. Just look into Lev Parnas shady background of fraud and questionable associations.

Of course Mr. Trump and his GOP enablers are going after servicemen, because they have nothing to counter on actual substance. It's not a new pattern, but a disgusting one.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote on the impeachment resolution per CNN.  

[Person Man]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote per CNN.  

Does that ever happen?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote per CNN.  

Does that ever happen?

Yes, but only on motions where the outcome is all but certain and overwhelming.  Here, the outcome is certain but likely won't be by a gigantic staggering margin. 

[GeorgiaModerate]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote per CNN.  

Does that ever happen?

It's quite common, and the interesting thing about this request (unless the terminology is being mixed up) is that it does NOT record individual member votes.  From https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/b79ade62-94d9-4e91-9883-70b00f76a708.pdf:

In the House, there are four forms of votes: voice vote, division vote, yea and nay (or roll call) vote, and recorded vote.
...
Most questions are initially put to a voice vote. Representatives will call out “aye” or “no” when a question is first put by the Speaker or Speaker pro tempore. As Rule I, clause 6, states, the Speaker will say, “Those in favor [of the question], say ‘Aye.’” Then the Speaker will ask: “Those opposed, say ‘No.’” Following the response, the Speaker states that, in his or her opinion, “the ayes [or the noes] appear to have it.” There is no record of how an individual Member votes on a voice vote.

See the link for details on the other types of votes.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote per CNN.  

Does that ever happen?

It's quite common, and the interesting thing about this request (unless the terminology is being mixed up) is that it does NOT record individual member votes.  From https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/b79ade62-94d9-4e91-9883-70b00f76a708.pdf:

In the House, there are four forms of votes: voice vote, division vote, yea and nay (or roll call) vote, and recorded vote.
...
Most questions are initially put to a voice vote. Representatives will call out “aye” or “no” when a question is first put by the Speaker or Speaker pro tempore. As Rule I, clause 6, states, the Speaker will say, “Those in favor [of the question], say ‘Aye.’” Then the Speaker will ask: “Those opposed, say ‘No.’” Following the response, the Speaker states that, in his or her opinion, “the ayes [or the noes] appear to have it.” There is no record of how an individual Member votes on a voice vote.

See the link for details on the other types of votes.

Ah, sorry folks.  I think I got my "voice votes" mixed up.  The GOP isn't asking for a simple "all those in favor say AYE, all opposed NO" vote.

Here, the GOP will request each member stand and announce his or her vote in a roll-call fashion, but WITHOUT the usage of the electronic machines they've used since 1973.

Since 1973, voice voting this way has only happened during very rare occasions where the machines malfunctioned.  

So, in short, no -- it's never happenned under these circumstances where the machines are up and running AFAIK.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote per CNN.  

Does that ever happen?

It's quite common, and the interesting thing about this request (unless the terminology is being mixed up) is that it does NOT record individual member votes.  From https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/b79ade62-94d9-4e91-9883-70b00f76a708.pdf:

In the House, there are four forms of votes: voice vote, division vote, yea and nay (or roll call) vote, and recorded vote.
...
Most questions are initially put to a voice vote. Representatives will call out “aye” or “no” when a question is first put by the Speaker or Speaker pro tempore. As Rule I, clause 6, states, the Speaker will say, “Those in favor [of the question], say ‘Aye.’” Then the Speaker will ask: “Those opposed, say ‘No.’” Following the response, the Speaker states that, in his or her opinion, “the ayes [or the noes] appear to have it.” There is no record of how an individual Member votes on a voice vote.

See the link for details on the other types of votes.

Ah, sorry folks.  I think I got my "voice votes" mixed up.  The GOP isn't asking for a simple "all those in favor say AYE, all opposed NO" vote.

Here, the GOP will request each member stand and announce his or her vote in a roll-call fashion, but WITHOUT the usage of the electronic machines they've used since 1973.

Since 1973, voice voting this way has only happened during very rare occasions where the machines malfunctioned.  

So, in short, no -- it's never happenned under these circumstances where the machines are up and running AFAIK.

What is their rationale for this?  The regular electronic yea/nay vote provides a record of each member's vote. 

[7,052,770]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote per CNN.  

Does that ever happen?

It's quite common, and the interesting thing about this request (unless the terminology is being mixed up) is that it does NOT record individual member votes.  From https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/b79ade62-94d9-4e91-9883-70b00f76a708.pdf:

In the House, there are four forms of votes: voice vote, division vote, yea and nay (or roll call) vote, and recorded vote.
...
Most questions are initially put to a voice vote. Representatives will call out “aye” or “no” when a question is first put by the Speaker or Speaker pro tempore. As Rule I, clause 6, states, the Speaker will say, “Those in favor [of the question], say ‘Aye.’” Then the Speaker will ask: “Those opposed, say ‘No.’” Following the response, the Speaker states that, in his or her opinion, “the ayes [or the noes] appear to have it.” There is no record of how an individual Member votes on a voice vote.

See the link for details on the other types of votes.

Ah, sorry folks.  I think I got my "voice votes" mixed up.  The GOP isn't asking for a simple "all those in favor say AYE, all opposed NO" vote.

Here, the GOP will request each member stand and announce his or her vote in a roll-call fashion, but WITHOUT the usage of the electronic machines they've used since 1973.

Since 1973, voice voting this way has only happened during very rare occasions where the machines malfunctioned.  

So, in short, no -- it's never happenned under these circumstances where the machines are up and running AFAIK.

What is their rationale for this?  The regular electronic yea/nay vote provides a record of each member's vote. 

Ad material for anyone who steps out of line maybe? Scare the yes-leaners into voting no?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Republicans requesting that Pelosi take a full voice-vote per CNN.  

Does that ever happen?

It's quite common, and the interesting thing about this request (unless the terminology is being mixed up) is that it does NOT record individual member votes.  From https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/b79ade62-94d9-4e91-9883-70b00f76a708.pdf:

In the House, there are four forms of votes: voice vote, division vote, yea and nay (or roll call) vote, and recorded vote.
...
Most questions are initially put to a voice vote. Representatives will call out “aye” or “no” when a question is first put by the Speaker or Speaker pro tempore. As Rule I, clause 6, states, the Speaker will say, “Those in favor [of the question], say ‘Aye.’” Then the Speaker will ask: “Those opposed, say ‘No.’” Following the response, the Speaker states that, in his or her opinion, “the ayes [or the noes] appear to have it.” There is no record of how an individual Member votes on a voice vote.

See the link for details on the other types of votes.

Ah, sorry folks.  I think I got my "voice votes" mixed up.  The GOP isn't asking for a simple "all those in favor say AYE, all opposed NO" vote.

Here, the GOP will request each member stand and announce his or her vote in a roll-call fashion, but WITHOUT the usage of the electronic machines they've used since 1973.

Since 1973, voice voting this way has only happened during very rare occasions where the machines malfunctioned.  

So, in short, no -- it's never happenned under these circumstances where the machines are up and running AFAIK.

What is their rationale for this?  The regular electronic yea/nay vote provides a record of each member's vote.  

Optics.  The Republicans are likely still banking on this thing fizzling out and want as much campaign-ad material as possible.  

"Joe Cunningham doesn't respect your vote, that's why he voted to take it away"

Etc. Etc.

It's likely also another attempted power move: if we get our way on this, we can get our way on other things down the line in this inquiry. 

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1189627203153252359

Bolton!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1189627203153252359

Bolton!

Eisenberg is another really big one

[The Dowager Mod]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1189636928137764865

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1189636905098502144

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1189638402272059397

[GeorgiaModerate]

U.S. Army expresses support for LTC Vindman after Trump calls him a never-Trumper.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

White House blocked effort to condemn Russia for seizing Ukraine ships, Congress told

The revelation on Wednesday came from Christopher Anderson, who was a senior aide to the special envoy on Ukraine, Kurt Volker, in November 2018, when Russia fired on and captured three Ukrainian vessels in the Sea of Azov off the Crimean peninsula.

“While my colleagues at the state department quickly prepared a statement condemning Russia for its escalation, senior officials in the White House blocked it from being issued,” Anderson said in his prepared remarks to congressional committees holding impeachment hearings. “Ambassador Volker drafted a tweet condemning Russia’s actions, which I posted to his account.”

In the face of silence from the White House, the then US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, condemned Russian behaviour, after which the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, followed suit. Trump voiced concern but did not blame Moscow.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1189668013672415232

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1189661019544702977

[Landslide Lyndon]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1189669828279390210

[Progressive Pessimist]

Imagine the reverse scenario: Obama asked a foreign country invaded by Russia to investigate a GOP contender for his political gain (and phony reasons) and holds back US aid that is aimed to stop Russian aggression. Democrats then attack a lieutenant who confirmed allegations against Obama and served in battle and received a Purple Heart as a spy and traitor.

What would the GOP do? They wouldn't just impeach him... But right, President Obama had so much honor, he would have never done that and any comparison with Mr. Trump is an insult to our 44th prez.

One of the major lessons of the Trump era will be the GOP exposed for complete hypocrisy. They are for sure not the party of the military and "law and order". Mr. Trump claiming to be a law & order prez is a laughingstock.

You're totally right, but also wasting your energy.

This hypothetical can be pondered ad nauseum, and it will never resonate with Republicans. They are incapable of recognizing hypocrisy or irony, especially when they are too busy defending someone with an (R) next to their name instead. Their tribe is all that matters.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/TheOklahoman/status/1189689055241539591?s=20

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/TheOklahoman/status/1189689055241539591?s=20

When Van Drew is voting to the right of Horn and Cunningham