SB 20-22: Federal Budget FY 2020

[Devout Centrist]

Okay, maybe I didn’t make myself clear: This budget includes any bill that affected outlays and budget authority. I went through each and every bill we have passed since last March (the last time we passed a budget) and incorporated the GM Department’s projections into this budget. This includes (But is not limited to):

—The Estate Tax increase
—The Wealth Tax implementation
—President Adam’s NASA law
—Appalachia and Reservation Reinvestment
—various measures used to pass Paygo

I’m frustrated that I received no help from either the GM Department or my fellow Senators in amending this budget (with the exception of Wulfric who stepped up to help make a realistic cost estimate). This is the best we have because this is the best I can do right now.

I apologize for coming off as aggressive, but I want to see some folks step up and help out on this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

As far as the CR goes, it either already expired or never expires, depending on how you interpret it.

     



Even more reason to pass it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Okay, maybe I didn’t make myself clear: This budget includes any bill that affected outlays and budget authority. I went through each and every bill we have passed since last March (the last time we passed a budget) and incorporated the GM Department’s projections into this budget. This includes (But is not limited to):

—The Estate Tax increase
—The Wealth Tax implementation
—President Adam’s NASA law
—Appalachia and Reservation Reinvestment
—various measures used to pass Paygo

I’m frustrated that I received no help from either the GM Department or my fellow Senators in amending this budget (with the exception of Wulfric who stepped up to help make a realistic cost estimate). This is the best we have because this is the best I can do right now.

I apologize for coming off as aggressive, but I want to see some folks step up and help out on this.

 

Part of my question was if amendments are appropriate or if this was the start of a new "reflective" model where changes werent made in the budget itself.

I am on my phone so might have to add to this later to clarify some points.

I will just note for the record that myself and TPH voted aye. So whatever happens here we did our part. I am not going to criticize your efforts as they are commendable.

[YE]

This incorporates all bills passed since March, correct? Does this include my Buffet rule bill (that never got scored) for example or no? Or has that not become law yet?

If the GM department was even somewhat active, I'd agree with the 2 Lincoln Senators. But, at this point, I'd actually agree with DC but be open to amending the bill down the line if corrections need to be made (sorta like how as Fremont FM, I helped make corrections to Truman's budget that contained mistakes and even tried to cut carbon taxes on a premise that turned out to be a budget error).

[Devout Centrist]

This incorporates all bills passed since March, correct? Does this include my Buffet rule bill (that never got scored) for example or no? Or has that not become law yet?

If the GM department was even somewhat active, I'd agree with the 2 Lincoln Senators. But, at this point, I'd actually agree with DC but be open to amending the bill down the line if corrections need to be made (sorta like how as Fremont FM, I helped make corrections to Truman's budget that contained mistakes and even tried to cut carbon taxes on a premise that turned out to be a budget error).

The revenue estimates include the Buffett Rule. I can add a line item that specifics the approximate revenue the rule change generated.

[Devout Centrist]

And look, I was open to amendments before we opened a final vote. A week passed between the 19th, when this came to the floor, and the final vote motion. I apologize if I wasn’t clear on the amendment process.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

And look, I was open to amendments before we opened a final vote. A week passed between the 19th, when this came to the floor, and the final vote motion. I apologize if I wasn’t clear on the amendment process.

I think people sort of took your notice of a need to make additional cost adjustments (which ended up being just an inflation adjustment) as a sign to hold off on any amendments.

[YE]

This incorporates all bills passed since March, correct? Does this include my Buffet rule bill (that never got scored) for example or no? Or has that not become law yet?

If the GM department was even somewhat active, I'd agree with the 2 Lincoln Senators. But, at this point, I'd actually agree with DC but be open to amending the bill down the line if corrections need to be made (sorta like how as Fremont FM, I helped make corrections to Truman's budget that contained mistakes and even tried to cut carbon taxes on a premise that turned out to be a budget error).

The revenue estimates include the Buffett Rule. I can add a line item that specifics the approximate revenue the rule change generated.

Thanks for clarifying. Just making sure.

[YE]

Given that, I'd really would prefer to see this passed the Senate and amend if needed. And honestly if the rest of Labor caucus votes this down, I don't think it'd put DC, who has been the only one actually trying to get numbers and do stuff as of late, in a very fun spot going forward.

[YE]

Actually the buffet bill and estate tax haven't passed yet apparently per the noticeboard.

[Devout Centrist]

Actually the buffet bill and estate tax haven't passed yet apparently per the noticeboard.

*sigh*

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Actually the buffet bill and estate tax haven't passed yet apparently per the noticeboard.

If only someone had suggested a means to expedite stuff in the House>Senate backlog


20th Regional Senate Discord DM:
NCY168910/07/2019
I just motioned for final votes on several of the VP controlled bills. We do not have any new bills in the queue for Senate originated stuff.  Just like last time, if there is stuff in the House > SEnate queue that you want to expedite go ahead and introduce independently in the Senate introduction thread and we can get it done much quicker then if it it sits and waits. Just be sure to PM Pericles when you do this so it doesn't get brought up twice.

NCY168910/13/2019
New bill on the floor
also Adam wants that bill in slot 17, which is VP controlled. Pericles doesn't have it presently displayed on his copy of the noticeboard but it can be viewed on mine. Slot 17 (Emergencies) Restricted Use/Presidential Authorization  - VP Administered

Since:
Ends:
@everyone Also I must continue to pound this drum, but we need more bills.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Given that, I'd really would prefer to see this passed the Senate and amend if needed. And honestly if the rest of Labor caucus votes this down, I don't think it'd put DC, who has been the only one actually trying to get numbers and do stuff as of late, in a very fun spot going forward.

It kind of reminds me of early 2013 during Marokai/Duke administration, which was a Labor/TPP ticket.  TPP Senators killed a bunch of Marokai's reform proposals, they had 4/10 seats and Labor had 2 or 3.

[YE]

Given that, I'd really would prefer to see this passed the Senate and amend if needed. And honestly if the rest of Labor caucus votes this down, I don't think it'd put DC, who has been the only one actually trying to get numbers and do stuff as of late, in a very fun spot going forward.

It kind of reminds me of early 2013 during Marokai/Duke administration, which was a Labor/TPP ticket.  TPP Senators killed a bunch of Marokai's reform proposals, they had 4/10 seats and Labor had 2 or 3.

At least they were (presumably) due to ideological differences.

DC is the only one giving a crap about numbers and the budget and he's getting shooted down by his own party almost out of nowhere. We've generally been pretty productive and cohesive legislative wise during Adam's presidency so far. Let's not screw up now.

[YE]

Actually the buffet bill and estate tax haven't passed yet apparently per the noticeboard.

If only someone had suggested a means to expedite stuff in the House>Senate backlog


20th Regional Senate Discord DM:
NCY168910/07/2019
I just motioned for final votes on several of the VP controlled bills. We do not have any new bills in the queue for Senate originated stuff.  Just like last time, if there is stuff in the House > SEnate queue that you want to expedite go ahead and introduce independently in the Senate introduction thread and we can get it done much quicker then if it it sits and waits. Just be sure to PM Pericles when you do this so it doesn't get brought up twice.

NCY168910/13/2019
New bill on the floor
also Adam wants that bill in slot 17, which is VP controlled. Pericles doesn't have it presently displayed on his copy of the noticeboard but it can be viewed on mine. Slot 17 (Emergencies) Restricted Use/Presidential Authorization  - VP Administered

Since:
Ends:
@everyone Also I must continue to pound this drum, but we need more bills.

One of us should try to get MB to introduce his House stuff to the Senate when he swears in tomorrow.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Given that, I'd really would prefer to see this passed the Senate and amend if needed. And honestly if the rest of Labor caucus votes this down, I don't think it'd put DC, who has been the only one actually trying to get numbers and do stuff as of late, in a very fun spot going forward.

It kind of reminds me of early 2013 during Marokai/Duke administration, which was a Labor/TPP ticket.  TPP Senators killed a bunch of Marokai's reform proposals, they had 4/10 seats and Labor had 2 or 3.

At least they were (presumably) due to ideological differences.

DC is the only one giving a crap about numbers and the budget and he's getting shooted down by his own party almost out of nowhere. We've generally been pretty productive and cohesive legislative wise during Adam's presidency so far. Let's not screw up now.

On paper they were all "centrists". Of course that can mean totally different things. Benconstine,  Averroes Nix, Oakvale and Franzl were the Senators in question if memory serves me.

They also voted down Marokai's GM nominee (twice). Some guy named Adam: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=170079.msg3647753#msg3647753


Granted I might have overlooked a PM on this, but I would have assisted DC to the extent that I could if asked. I am not an expert on the cost and adjustments, but I could have lifted some of his burned with compilation of passed stuff so he could focus on the other stuff.

I had thought Adam had a team of people working on this behind the scenes until just a week ago.

[YE]

Given that, I'd really would prefer to see this passed the Senate and amend if needed. And honestly if the rest of Labor caucus votes this down, I don't think it'd put DC, who has been the only one actually trying to get numbers and do stuff as of late, in a very fun spot going forward.

It kind of reminds me of early 2013 during Marokai/Duke administration, which was a Labor/TPP ticket.  TPP Senators killed a bunch of Marokai's reform proposals, they had 4/10 seats and Labor had 2 or 3.

At least they were (presumably) due to ideological differences.

DC is the only one giving a crap about numbers and the budget and he's getting shooted down by his own party almost out of nowhere. We've generally been pretty productive and cohesive legislative wise during Adam's presidency so far. Let's not screw up now.

On paper they were all "centrists". Of course that can mean totally different things. Benconstine,  Averroes Nix, Oakvale and Franzl were the Senators in question if memory serves me.

They also voted down Marokai's GM nominee (twice). Some guy named Adam: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=170079.msg3647753#msg3647753


Granted I might have overlooked a PM on this, but I would have assisted DC to the extent that I could if asked. I am not an expert on the cost and adjustments, but I could have lifted some of his burned with compilation of passed stuff so he could focus on the other stuff.

I had thought Adam had a team of people working on this behind the scenes until just a week ago.

IIRC the GM department going MIA kind of caused the budget committee to fall apart. 

[Devout Centrist]

Given that, I'd really would prefer to see this passed the Senate and amend if needed. And honestly if the rest of Labor caucus votes this down, I don't think it'd put DC, who has been the only one actually trying to get numbers and do stuff as of late, in a very fun spot going forward.

It kind of reminds me of early 2013 during Marokai/Duke administration, which was a Labor/TPP ticket.  TPP Senators killed a bunch of Marokai's reform proposals, they had 4/10 seats and Labor had 2 or 3.

At least they were (presumably) due to ideological differences.

DC is the only one giving a crap about numbers and the budget and he's getting shooted down by his own party almost out of nowhere. We've generally been pretty productive and cohesive legislative wise during Adam's presidency so far. Let's not screw up now.

On paper they were all "centrists". Of course that can mean totally different things. Benconstine,  Averroes Nix, Oakvale and Franzl were the Senators in question if memory serves me.

They also voted down Marokai's GM nominee (twice). Some guy named Adam: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=170079.msg3647753#msg3647753


Granted I might have overlooked a PM on this, but I would have assisted DC to the extent that I could if asked. I am not an expert on the cost and adjustments, but I could have lifted some of his burned with compilation of passed stuff so he could focus on the other stuff.

I had thought Adam had a team of people working on this behind the scenes until just a week ago.

Therein lies the problem, though. We're not the GM team. We can't shoulder their burden for them in our capacity as Senators.

As soon as this whole debacle is done, I am going to start work on a GM reform bill. Yankee, if you want to collaborate on that, let me know and we can get started.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sure. Be just like old times with Vern, Purple State and myself in June 2009.

[Former President tack50]

Given the recient discussion, changing my vote

Abstain

I am still not supporting the budget for the previous reasons but I will not actively obstruct it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is almost like that time I walked into a crisis and managed somehow as a result get considered for err err President, yea President.

[Pyro]

Change to Abstention.

[ON Progressive]

Aye

[Devout Centrist]

Who hasn't voted?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Technically Peanut and MB could displace their predecessors votes up until expiration of time. But I think everyone has voted. Ontario was the last one.


Pericles?