Katie Hill resigning from office

[Calthrina950]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

You seem obsessed on defending this woman. Though I definitely agree with Xing about the despicable Republicans whom he mentions (Hunter, Collins, King, and Gianforte), and though I certainly recognize how Republicans defend Trump (many of them worship at his altar, burning incense and offering gifts on a daily basis...), I also don't think that this all should excuse Hill either. What she has been accused of, based off what we have now, is much worse than what Al Franken did.

I suspect this woman will be allowed to skate by, will win re-election, and will linger in the halls of Congress for years to come. Just another disgraceful presence in such a flawed body. This thread is also very revealing, in terms of exposing partisanship. Trump's comment that his voters would not abandon him even if he shot someone can in many ways be applied to the Democratic base as well. Some are of the mentality that even if the worst offense is exposed, there should be no remedy, if it is not practically convenient.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

You seem obsessed on defending this woman. Though I definitely agree with Xing about the despicable Republicans whom he mentions (Hunter, Collins, King, and Gianforte), and though I certainly recognize how Republicans defend Trump (many of them worship at his altar, burning incense and offering gifts on a daily basis...), I also don't think that this all should excuse Hill either. What she has been accused of, based off what we have now, is much worse than what Al Franken did.

I suspect this woman will be allowed to skate by, will win re-election, and will linger in the halls of Congress for years to come. Just another disgraceful presence in such a flawed body. This thread is also very revealing, in terms of exposing partisanship. Trump's comment that his voters would not abandon him even if he shot someone can in many ways be applied to the Democratic base as well. Some are of the mentality that even if the worst offense is exposed, there should be no remedy, if it is not practically convenient.

I'm defending her because the right is attacking her by leaking private photos of her. She literally did nothing wrong.

[Devout Centrist]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

You seem obsessed on defending this woman. Though I definitely agree with Xing about the despicable Republicans whom he mentions (Hunter, Collins, King, and Gianforte), and though I certainly recognize how Republicans defend Trump (many of them worship at his altar, burning incense and offering gifts on a daily basis...), I also don't think that this all should excuse Hill either. What she has been accused of, based off what we have now, is much worse than what Al Franken did.

9th woman accuses former Sen. Al Franken of sexual harassment as he steps back into the public eye

[Nutmeg]

TLDR all of this, but this was consensual among all parties who actually participated, or no?

[Calthrina950]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

You seem obsessed on defending this woman. Though I definitely agree with Xing about the despicable Republicans whom he mentions (Hunter, Collins, King, and Gianforte), and though I certainly recognize how Republicans defend Trump (many of them worship at his altar, burning incense and offering gifts on a daily basis...), I also don't think that this all should excuse Hill either. What she has been accused of, based off what we have now, is much worse than what Al Franken did.

I suspect this woman will be allowed to skate by, will win re-election, and will linger in the halls of Congress for years to come. Just another disgraceful presence in such a flawed body. This thread is also very revealing, in terms of exposing partisanship. Trump's comment that his voters would not abandon him even if he shot someone can in many ways be applied to the Democratic base as well. Some are of the mentality that even if the worst offense is exposed, there should be no remedy, if it is not practically convenient.

I'm defending her because the right is attacking her by leaking private photos of her. She literally did nothing wrong.

True, but earlier, I asked you what your response would be if a left-leaning or mainstream outlet had done so. You didn't respond, so I assume, therefore, that there would have been less of an issue. And I don't condone the photo-leaking either, but they are not the only problem. The other allegations concerning Hill's relationships, and possible ethics violations (and now, the Ethics Committee probes), are far more concerning. If it was just the photos alone, I wouldn't be as bothered.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This is looking more and more and more like a Jeremy Corbyn-style "terrible person on her merits but also getting shamelessly libeled" situation.

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

These two posts basically sum up my thoughts on this whole mess at this point.  

[Xing]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

Well, there's also the affair that she admitted to.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

Well, there's also the affair that she admitted to.

She admitted to the throupl, which was consensual and violated no laws. The main problem is that she's being accused of having an affair with a congressional staffer, which remains unproven and which she has denied. Keep up.

[IceSpear]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

Are you enjoying being deliberately obtuse?

It is blatantly and flagrantly unethical to engage in a clandestine relationship with someone who you directly supervise. Workplace ethics 101. The hacks here would have no problem acknowledging this if it was a Republican and/or male doing it.

[RI]

And who do you Republicans have to retake this seat? Steve Knight lost by a mile. Even if Hill doesn't run for re-election is doesn't open the door for some triumph Republican return.

CA-25 voted for Newsom by 2 points in 2018. It's hardly a safe seat.

[Roblox]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

Are you enjoying being deliberately obtuse?

It is blatantly and flagrantly unethical to engage in a clandestine relationship with someone who you directly supervise. Workplace ethics 101. The hacks here would have no problem acknowledging this if it was a Republican and/or male doing it.

Yup. Republicans are being extremely hypocritical about this, but so are D hacks on here. If you have an affair with a subordinate, you should resign: period.

[Beet]

Oh, I see what is unethical about this now - I was thinking of sexual harassment. In that case, should Bill Clinton have resigned over Monica Lewinsky? I always thought no (although he should perhaps have over other stuff).

[Landslide Lyndon]

And who do you Republicans have to retake this seat? Steve Knight lost by a mile. Even if Hill doesn't run for re-election is doesn't open the door for some triumph Republican return.

CA-25 voted for Newsom by 2 points in 2018. It's hardly a safe seat.

As long as Trump is in the White House, it is.

[DrScholl]

And who do you Republicans have to retake this seat? Steve Knight lost by a mile. Even if Hill doesn't run for re-election is doesn't open the door for some triumph Republican return.

CA-25 voted for Newsom by 2 points in 2018. It's hardly a safe seat.

Jerry Brown lost it by 14% to a flop of a candidate. +14 to -2 doesn't suggest much opportunity for Republicans who also lost an Assembly seat in the area.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

Are you enjoying being deliberately obtuse?

It is blatantly and flagrantly unethical to engage in a clandestine relationship with someone who you directly supervise. Workplace ethics 101. The hacks here would have no problem acknowledging this if it was a Republican and/or male doing it.

LOL I could literally ask the same of you as those allegations remain UNPROVEN. If you went through my post history you would know I supported Al Franken resigning. Cut the partisan crap, because you look ridiculous.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

And who do you Republicans have to retake this seat? Steve Knight lost by a mile. Even if Hill doesn't run for re-election is doesn't open the door for some triumph Republican return.

CA-25 voted for Newsom by 2 points in 2018. It's hardly a safe seat.

I guess Orange County in 2018 was just a fluke, considering they voted for Newsom by .14%

Also, my Assembly district voted for Newsom by 3.5 points. I bet my Assemblymember, who won by 9 points, is shaking in her shoes

[Bidenworth2020]

And who do you Republicans have to retake this seat? Steve Knight lost by a mile. Even if Hill doesn't run for re-election is doesn't open the door for some triumph Republican return.

CA-25 voted for Newsom by 2 points in 2018. It's hardly a safe seat.

It might be competitive post-Trump (to be seen), but for now it is safe d. It ousted its republican by 10 points in 2018.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Also, f**k this scandal for making me encounter the term "throuple" in the wild. Was "ménage à trois" not trendy enough?

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

It was just reported that Rep. Hill’s attorneys have sent a cease and desist to the Daily Mail and are demanding they remove the nude pictures as they violate revenge porn laws.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Oh, I see what is unethical about this now - I was thinking of sexual harassment. In that case, should Bill Clinton have resigned over Monica Lewinsky? I always thought no (although he should perhaps have over other stuff).

He should have resigned for committing perjury, not for the affair itself.

[Izzyeviel]

The irony is the Republicans can't attack her over the nazi tattoo because then Trump will never be reelected. Half their support would disappear.

[pppolitics]

She definitely seems like a terrible person if all of this is true, and I won't defend her, but Republicans really shouldn't be pearl clutching and claiming double standards here. If Trump had done this, we all know how Republicans would react. Not to mention two Republicans who were literally criminals won re-election last year, as did a neo-Nazi and a guy who body slammed a reporter.

For smoking a bong and drinking? Damn. Keep your morals to yourself.

You seem obsessed on defending this woman. Though I definitely agree with Xing about the despicable Republicans whom he mentions (Hunter, Collins, King, and Gianforte), and though I certainly recognize how Republicans defend Trump (many of them worship at his altar, burning incense and offering gifts on a daily basis...), I also don't think that this all should excuse Hill either. What she has been accused of, based off what we have now, is much worse than what Al Franken did.

I suspect this woman will be allowed to skate by, will win re-election, and will linger in the halls of Congress for years to come. Just another disgraceful presence in such a flawed body. This thread is also very revealing, in terms of exposing partisanship. Trump's comment that his voters would not abandon him even if he shot someone can in many ways be applied to the Democratic base as well. Some are of the mentality that even if the worst offense is exposed, there should be no remedy, if it is not practically convenient.

And so what?

Having an affair is not against the laws.

________________________________

Trump can cheat on Melania evey single day and that is perfectly within his rights. (Assuming that the other woman isn't a foreign spy trying to influence policy and extract information.)

It would be an interesting tabloid story, but that's about it.

[Sestak]

Are we really saying here that Person A leaking nude photos of Person B is now somehow an awful thing on Person B's part and/or somehow their fault and that they should have to resign over it?


Republicans are literally just throwing around revenge pornography in an attempt to intimidate a member of Congress - who has done literally nothing wrong here - into resigning.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

"If it's not illegal, it's not inappropriate to the dignity of a public servant" is a repellent argument. I say this as someone who (as of now) doesn't think Hill should resign.

[Sestak]

Republicans are literally just throwing around revenge pornography in an attempt to intimidate a member of Congress - who has done literally nothing wrong here - into resigning.

Engaging in multiple affairs with campaign staffers is very clearly something wrong.

If we're making people resign over affairs a good 25% of Congress at minimum should be gone.