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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2019, 10:28:26 PM »

When Trumpists talk about the worst parts of the Democratic Party, they don't see Sanders and Warren as the embodiment of that. They think of the Beto O'Rourke types, who are literally advocating for taking away your guns and taxing churches. They like Social Security and Medicare. They may not like other people getting it, but God forbid if you touch their Medicare or Social Security.

Your points about popularity are false - while transitioning to single-payer is unpopular, the idea of expanding Medicare to all citizens is popular. I've never heard anyone talk about how awesome their insurance company is, but they love their doctor. They have no attachment or customer loyalty to Aetna or Blue Cross.

The polls I've seen support the Green New Deal, especially in swing districts. Things like a federal jobs guarantee are popular. They don't like doing away with fossil fuel plants or gas-powered cars, but they like the idea of building a renewable energy infrastructure.

Care to link those polls?

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/02/poll-likely-2020-voters-support-parts-of-green-new-deal-despite-concerns-over-the-cost/

https://morningconsult.com/2019/07/02/majority-backs-medicare-for-all-replacing-private-plans-if-preferred-providers-stay/

A good amount of the fears about Medicare for All are fears of losing your health support network.
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2019, 10:57:28 PM »


Don't rule out impeachment. Trump still has time to commit even worse crimes and offenses than he has already. Show Graham a "crime" and he will vote for impeachment. That's telling.

And don't rule out the young vote and the female vote. The majority of us can't stand Trump, and we have a lot of voting power between us.

Those who are considered Trump's "base" have had their time and their say. Their voice is not the majority voice.

A president who has been so unpopular his entire presidency, how can he win again? You Atlas folks like to intellectualize politics, but how can an unpopular, bully, tyrant, conman who's only interested in self-interest, win another round?

Unless they cheat somehow, this president is going down and out for the count in 2020. That's my prediction.
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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2019, 01:09:46 AM »

He will win because Democrats have somehow, with a massive primary field, decided to make 3 people in their 70's the frontrunners who all come with fatal flaws as candidates.

Biden - bad record, voted for the Iraq war, Strom Thurmond, bussing, has trouble keeping a train of thought, corruption issues.

Sanders - socialist, apologist for the USSR and Cuba, will scare the bejeezus out of swing voters in the midwest and maybe even states like Virginia.

Warren - all the issues Sanders has minus the charisma and consistent record. Also no way she's gonna turn out the African American vote even as much as somebody like John Kerry did. Electoral disaster, bank on it.

In a sane world our frontrunners would be people like Booker, Beto, Harris, and Castro but we can't do that because of stuff like

"hIs NaMe Is RoBeRt!" or "sHe'S a CoP!" or not to mention any of the other subtle racist crap that was thrown at Harris when she performed well in that first debate.
Truth. This is why when the primary season "began" early in the year, I predicted that none of the top 3 would be the nominee. Frankly I'm baffled that they are still the frontrunners when it is SO GODDAMN OBVIOUS that they are all deeply flawed general election candidates. Time is running out. We badly need a breakout moment for somebody who is actually electable.
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2019, 08:23:17 AM »


Why Trump won't win again: he's going to be impeached. He has done so many wrong things it's incredible he's still in office. Even Republicans are going against him. The guy is bad news.

And his mind is failing. He's mental illnesses are getting worse, and he's having obvious difficulties.

That doesn't mean he and his enablers won't try t get him re-nominated, but the odds of him being on the ballot in Nov 2020 are minuscule. (And just think how badly a late swap to say, Rubio/Haley, will throw off a Biden/Buttigieg ticket that has spent 6+ months focusing on "get rid of Trump".)
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2019, 08:42:09 AM »

As I said before, Bush W carried 44% of the Latino vote over Kerry to win reelection.  Reagan carried Latino support as well. Trump will not get the needed Latino support to help hin win reelection. As a result, CO, NV, VA and WI will vote Dem
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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2019, 10:16:26 AM »

1. This line of thinking is the main reason why Hillary lost. You all decided that you could win off of your coalition of educated. This post symptomatic of a phenomenon I like to call moderate hubris.

The Democratic establishment believes that the average American voter sees the Presidency as a job application. In their minds, they would nominate and crown the most qualified, experienced candidate since Dwight D. Eisenhower juxtaposed against a foul-mouthed reality TV star, and they would finally win enough to cement and defend Obama's legacy for 3 years. Of course, this did not happen.

Same with the establishment. The Democratic Party's bent towards the educated class has taken them so far that even when the warning signs were on the wall, they didn't need unions or the working class. They didn't need Bernie voters. They'd just nominate a candidate who supported union-busting, the working class would see the dangers of Donald Trump, and flock to Hillary because of the big bad orange man. Money that could have gone to Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan went to places like Chicago and New Orleans to run up the popular vote score (what the actual christ???), and they lost.

2. When Trumpists talk about the worst parts of the Democratic Party, they don't see Sanders and Warren as the embodiment of that. They think of the Beto O'Rourke types, who are literally advocating for taking away your guns and taxing churches. They like Social Security and Medicare. They may not like other people getting it, but God forbid if you touch their Medicare or Social Security.

Your points about popularity are false - while transitioning to single-payer is unpopular, the idea of expanding Medicare to all citizens is popular. I've never heard anyone talk about how awesome their insurance company is, but they love their doctor. They have no attachment or customer loyalty to Aetna or Blue Cross.

The polls I've seen support the Green New Deal, especially in swing districts. Things like a federal jobs guarantee are popular. They don't like doing away with fossil fuel plants or gas-powered cars, but they like the idea of building a renewable energy infrastructure.

I've come to a place of acceptance that some of these unpopular ideas won't pass the House or Senate. The country isn't ready for them yet. However, I see much less risk of running a candidate like Bernie or Warren than Biden or Buttigieg (the latter of whom would be an unmitigated disaster). Bashing the left and blaming them for Trump isn't going to get them to turn out for your candidate.

1. Hillary lost because she was viewed as corrupt and undecideds swung against her hard in the final days of the election. You really think Bernie would have beaten Trump? He was handled with kid gloves in 2016 and the minute he started facing real criticism his poll numbers stalled. Furthermore, Trump was viewed as more moderate than Hillary. Hillary campaigned on running on the most progressive platform in party history. She was not viewed as a moderate or centrist candidate by GE voters.

2.  The Green New Deal is not that popular as a wholeamong the people. Sure certiain aspects are, but the whole thing is lumped too far in with AOC and the radical ideas she put inside the bill. It is not popular in swing districts. Besides, this is not the year for Dems to be figuring out their messaging strategy on different items in their agenda. That should have been 2017. Now they need to run on what they know is popular and look bold doing so.
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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2019, 10:20:44 AM »

 White folks vote for Trump. This is the real reason Trump can or will win again. Why do people sugarcoat it?
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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2019, 12:49:41 PM »

N O T !!!
TRUMP & GULIANI DOES NOT WANT TO WIN!!!
COME BACK TO REALITY!!!! WAKE-UP

U R G E N T

Mr. President, respectfully, I disagree;
our Troops are performing serious operations in the Middle East;

they secure the parameter around Israel.

 ISRAEL WILL BE ATTACKED

 FROM EVERY & ALL SIDES! twitter.com/Angie2020POTUS…
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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2019, 02:31:43 PM »
« Edited: October 21, 2019, 03:18:46 PM by KYWildman »

The flaw in your thinking is that last time, most people thought Trump had no chance of winning, so some “progressives” thought they could afford to protest vote/not vote. Now, however, we KNOW he can win, so that calculus hopefully will change if Biden is the nominee. And if Warren (i.e. a “progressive” but not divisive like Bernie) is the nominee, I think she’ll unite the party base as well as anyone can, which should mean high Democratic turnout like Obama had. More moderate Democrats are less likely to pull the protest vote thing anyway. And I seriously doubt the gains made among independents/“swing voters” who detest Trump will evaporate — many may be less than enthusiastic about Warren, but that doesn’t mean they’re gonna vote for Trump.

Plus, Trump himself proved that you don’t have to be moderate or calibrated toward “the center” or even liked more than your opponent to win. Both he and Obama won primarily by making their base more enthusiastic to vote than the other candidate’s base, in all the right places. And consider where those places that decided the election are: Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania — states that are generally agreed to have swung to Trump in large part because of two things:

1. Low Democratic turnout (Trump won Wisconsin with fewer votes than Romney had while losing it).

2. Economic populism. Which is an issue Warren should be able to appeal to these people on; even Trump’s campaign is worried about that. And these also are places where “Middle Class Joe” has appeal. Either should be able to win them.

By the way, this model that nailed the 2018 House results has predicted a Democratic victory based on the premise that Democrats who thought Trump had no chance last time will be terrified that he will win this time, and therefore will vote in large numbers and win the election:

https://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/2019/07/01-2020-election-forecast/

So with that in mind, by all means keep fear-mongering about how Trump will win again. It just might ensure he doesn’t.
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2019, 02:48:10 PM »

1. If a moderate is nominated, people on the far left will whine and vote third party or not show up because by their logic, it’s better to have a President that you don’t agree with at all than one that you mostly agree with, but that just isn’t far left enough.

2. If a progressive such as Warren or Bernie is nominated they will lose the electoral college because moderates and independents simply do not like their ideas. The polling backs this up every time. M4A and the GND are very unpopular.

Democrats can’t stop fighting with each other and will throw the election to Trump once again. If you want Trump out of office vote for the Democratic candidate. Seems like a simple idea, but many can’t seem to grasp it

This is an example of why I had to vote for Trump in the 2016 primary to prevent a brokered convention from fracturing the conservative electorate. I would have voted for Cruz or Rubio, but Romney convinced me that would fail, and we'd be beset by the disaster of Clinton.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2019, 04:04:07 PM »

Why Hillary will win in 2016

1. If a moderate like Marco Rubio is nominated, people on the far right will whine and vote third party or not show up because by their logic, it’s better to have a President that you don’t agree with at all than one that you mostly agree with, but that just isn’t far right enough.

2. If Trump or a Freedom Caucus / TEA Party nutjob like Ted Cruz is nominated they will lose the electoral college because moderates and independents simply do not like their ideas. The polling backs this up every time. Completely repealing the ACA and banning Muslims from entering the country are very unpopular.

Republicans can’t stop fighting with each other and will throw the election to the Democrats once again. If you want Democrats out of office vote for the Republican nominee. Seems like a simple idea, but many can’t seem to grasp it.
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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2019, 04:11:12 PM »

People in the real world understand this.  The many, but not all, people on this forum who are shut-ins do not.  Heres looking at it even from a democrat perspective:

-Trump is gonna take 125 out the door.  He's gonna get Maine's second, like it or not.  126
-Texas is not going to flip yet.  If it would not go for Beto, its not gonna go blue with all the $$$ republicans have spent there trying to register new voters.  164
-Early polls never count.  Iowa and Ohio both went for Trump by almost 10 last time.  Nothing has changed, both states are very rural.  Farmers in Iowa who are upset with the tarriffs dont really want their tax dollars going to illegal immigrants healthcare.  188
-While Georgia got closer, too many rural rednecks there still, its not turning blue.  Same thing with the North Carolina trailer parks.  Too many Trump voters there. 219
-Florida went red in the midterms.  The panhandle is getting redder and enthusiasm for republicans downstate is growing with such calls for socialism. 248
-Don't even get me started on Nebraska's second.  Too much GOP history there and it went red in the midterms easily. 249
-Mormons in Arizona coming out for Trump this time unlike the last as well as him maintaining Latino support will push him and McSally over the finish line.  Enough is enough. 260
-Western Pennsylvania is West Virginia, literally coal miner redneck deep south racist unreasonable bullsh!t deplorable people.  Easy dub to carry the state 280
-Wisconsin's rural redneck areas that went for Obama are fed up with PC culture and the pendulum will swing back in his direction there. 290 at a minimum for Blumpfh, brace for impect

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2019, 07:56:41 AM »

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%

Gary Johnson took more votes from Trump than from Clinton. Jill Stein voters would be pre-disposed to vote Democrat if no other alternative existed, but Johnson voters outnumbered Stein 3 to 1. His analysis is correct there. The only wild card is how many Trump voters in the three turned states (WI, MI, PA) were Democrats protesting Bernie Sanders treatment who would come back for an Elizabeth Warren or a Democrat fully endorsed by Sanders.
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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2019, 09:31:44 AM »

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%

Gary Johnson took more votes from Trump than from Clinton. Jill Stein voters would be pre-disposed to vote Democrat stay at home if no other alternative existed, but Johnson voters outnumbered Stein 3 to 1. His analysis is correct there. The only wild card is how many Trump voters in the three turned states (WI, MI, PA) were Democrats protesting Bernie Sanders treatment who would come back for an Elizabeth Warren or a Democrat fully endorsed by Sanders.

Or how many were independents who voted Trump out of protest, under the mistaken impression, given most media outlets, that Trump had no chance of winning the election.

See also: Brexit.
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2019, 09:53:38 AM »

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%

Gary Johnson took more votes from Trump than from Clinton. Jill Stein voters would be pre-disposed to vote Democrat stay at home if no other alternative existed, but Johnson voters outnumbered Stein 3 to 1. His analysis is correct there. The only wild card is how many Trump voters in the three turned states (WI, MI, PA) were Democrats protesting Bernie Sanders treatment who would come back for an Elizabeth Warren or a Democrat fully endorsed by Sanders.

Or how many were independents who voted Trump out of protest, under the mistaken impression, given most media outlets, that Trump had no chance of winning the election.

See also: Brexit.

Which probably means nobody really has any idea what is going to happen.
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2019, 10:05:10 AM »

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%

Gary Johnson took more votes from Trump than from Clinton. Jill Stein voters would be pre-disposed to vote Democrat stay at home if no other alternative existed, but Johnson voters outnumbered Stein 3 to 1. His analysis is correct there. The only wild card is how many Trump voters in the three turned states (WI, MI, PA) were Democrats protesting Bernie Sanders treatment who would come back for an Elizabeth Warren or a Democrat fully endorsed by Sanders.

Or how many were independents who voted Trump out of protest, under the mistaken impression, given most media outlets, that Trump had no chance of winning the election.

See also: Brexit.

Which probably means nobody really has any idea what is going to happen.

The number of wonky, unknown/hidden variables in this election is astounding. Hell, we don't even know if Trump will be President on Election Day. Totally unprecedented times, because the election of someone like Donald Trump is totally unprecedented in US history. Throw out all conventional knowledge.

I can guarantee two things:
1. Trump will not win a popular vote plurality.
2. The Democratic challenger will receive fewer than 400 EVs.

Beyond that? f if I know
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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2019, 11:48:52 AM »

People in the real world understand this.  The many, but not all, people on this forum who are shut-ins do not.  Heres looking at it even from a democrat perspective:

-Trump is gonna take 125 out the door.  He's gonna get Maine's second, like it or not.  126
-Texas is not going to flip yet.  If it would not go for Beto, its not gonna go blue with all the $$$ republicans have spent there trying to register new voters.  164
-Early polls never count.  Iowa and Ohio both went for Trump by almost 10 last time.  Nothing has changed, both states are very rural.  Farmers in Iowa who are upset with the tarriffs dont really want their tax dollars going to illegal immigrants healthcare.  188
-While Georgia got closer, too many rural rednecks there still, its not turning blue.  Same thing with the North Carolina trailer parks.  Too many Trump voters there. 219
-Florida went red in the midterms.  The panhandle is getting redder and enthusiasm for republicans downstate is growing with such calls for socialism. 248
-Don't even get me started on Nebraska's second.  Too much GOP history there and it went red in the midterms easily. 249
-Mormons in Arizona coming out for Trump this time unlike the last as well as him maintaining Latino support will push him and McSally over the finish line.  Enough is enough. 260
-Western Pennsylvania is West Virginia, literally coal miner redneck deep south racist unreasonable bullsh!t deplorable people.  Easy dub to carry the state 280
-Wisconsin's rural redneck areas that went for Obama are fed up with PC culture and the pendulum will swing back in his direction there. 290 at a minimum for Blumpfh, brace for impect

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%
75% of johnson voters had trump at second choice.
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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2019, 11:49:58 AM »

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%

Gary Johnson took more votes from Trump than from Clinton. Jill Stein voters would be pre-disposed to vote Democrat stay at home if no other alternative existed, but Johnson voters outnumbered Stein 3 to 1. His analysis is correct there. The only wild card is how many Trump voters in the three turned states (WI, MI, PA) were Democrats protesting Bernie Sanders treatment who would come back for an Elizabeth Warren or a Democrat fully endorsed by Sanders.

Or how many were independents who voted Trump out of protest, under the mistaken impression, given most media outlets, that Trump had no chance of winning the election.

See also: Brexit.

Which probably means nobody really has any idea what is going to happen.

The number of wonky, unknown/hidden variables in this election is astounding. Hell, we don't even know if Trump will be President on Election Day. Totally unprecedented times, because the election of someone like Donald Trump is totally unprecedented in US history. Throw out all conventional knowledge.

I can guarantee two things:
1. Trump will not win a popular vote plurality.
2. The Democratic challenger will receive fewer than 400 EVs.

Beyond that? f if I know
Implying that the gop would commit political sucide.
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2019, 11:56:02 AM »
« Edited: October 29, 2019, 11:59:40 AM by Penn_Quaker_Girl »

People in the real world understand this.  The many, but not all, people on this forum who are shut-ins do not.  Heres looking at it even from a democrat perspective:

-Trump is gonna take 125 out the door.  He's gonna get Maine's second, like it or not.  126
-Texas is not going to flip yet.  If it would not go for Beto, its not gonna go blue with all the $$$ republicans have spent there trying to register new voters.  164
-Early polls never count.  Iowa and Ohio both went for Trump by almost 10 last time.  Nothing has changed, both states are very rural.  Farmers in Iowa who are upset with the tarriffs dont really want their tax dollars going to illegal immigrants healthcare.  188
-While Georgia got closer, too many rural rednecks there still, its not turning blue.  Same thing with the North Carolina trailer parks.  Too many Trump voters there. 219
-Florida went red in the midterms.  The panhandle is getting redder and enthusiasm for republicans downstate is growing with such calls for socialism. 248
-Don't even get me started on Nebraska's second.  Too much GOP history there and it went red in the midterms easily. 249
-Mormons in Arizona coming out for Trump this time unlike the last as well as him maintaining Latino support will push him and McSally over the finish line.  Enough is enough. 260
-Western Pennsylvania is West Virginia, literally coal miner redneck deep south racist unreasonable bullsh!t deplorable people.  Easy dub to carry the state 280
-Wisconsin's rural redneck areas that went for Obama are fed up with PC culture and the pendulum will swing back in his direction there. 290 at a minimum for Blumpfh, brace for impect

NE-02 only went to the GOP by 2%.  That's easily?  By that logic, Stabenow won MI-SEN by a landslide.
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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2019, 12:03:28 PM »

1. If a moderate is nominated, people on the far left will whine and vote third party or not show up because by their logic, it’s better to have a President that you don’t agree with at all than one that you mostly agree with, but that just isn’t far left enough.

2. If a progressive such as Warren or Bernie is nominated they will lose the electoral college because moderates and independents simply do not like their ideas. The polling backs this up every time. M4A and the GND are very unpopular.

Democrats can’t stop fighting with each other and will throw the election to Trump once again. If you want Trump out of office vote for the Democratic candidate. Seems like a simple idea, but many can’t seem to grasp it

trump will lose either way, it's not 2016. don't try to ban democracy just because many of you atlasers were so cocky in last election and sure in hillary's win, and now you are scared of everything.
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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2019, 12:43:27 PM »

You do understand that WI, PA, MI only voted 1* since 1988 for a GOP prez, and all three have Dem govs. Trump only won those three states do to Gary Johnson and  Stein taking 8%

Gary Johnson took more votes from Trump than from Clinton. Jill Stein voters would be pre-disposed to vote Democrat stay at home if no other alternative existed, but Johnson voters outnumbered Stein 3 to 1. His analysis is correct there. The only wild card is how many Trump voters in the three turned states (WI, MI, PA) were Democrats protesting Bernie Sanders treatment who would come back for an Elizabeth Warren or a Democrat fully endorsed by Sanders.

Or how many were independents who voted Trump out of protest, under the mistaken impression, given most media outlets, that Trump had no chance of winning the election.

See also: Brexit.

Which probably means nobody really has any idea what is going to happen.

The number of wonky, unknown/hidden variables in this election is astounding. Hell, we don't even know if Trump will be President on Election Day. Totally unprecedented times, because the election of someone like Donald Trump is totally unprecedented in US history. Throw out all conventional knowledge.

I can guarantee two things:
1. Trump will not win a popular vote plurality.
2. The Democratic challenger will receive fewer than 400 EVs.

Beyond that? f if I know
Implying that the gop would commit political sucide.

I said we don't know if Trump will be President. I didn't say he wouldn't. If 50% of Republicans come to believe Trump should be removed from office, it would be political suicide not to vote to remove unless you're from a deeply red state.

There's another variable: we have never had an obese 74-year-old President. Even taking into account that he spends a lot of time golfing, the Presidency is still a brutal, round the clock job.

Right now PredictIt gives Trump only a 70% chance of finishing his term.
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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2019, 12:49:59 PM »
« Edited: October 29, 2019, 02:05:19 PM by Speaker YE »


This is the most Michigan take on Wisconsin ever.

The "rural redneck" areas of which you speak have a century of farmer-progressive culture. It's not like these are solid red counties that decided to roll the dice on Obama. And the whole "muh PC culture" thing isn't even a talking point outside of right-wing echo chambers.

Wisconsinites by and large believe in fairness and progress. Even the Republicans do.
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2019, 01:18:51 PM »

Sadly I agree with this that there is a chance the left will re-elect Donald Trump. Bernie Supporters will not accept defeat. If he loses the nomination, there is no chance in their minds that it was a fair loss and will scream once again that the DNC rigged the election.
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2019, 05:16:37 PM »

1. If a moderate is nominated, people on the far left will whine and vote third party or not show up because by their logic, it’s better to have a President that you don’t agree with at all than one that you mostly agree with, but that just isn’t far left enough.

2. If a progressive such as Warren or Bernie is nominated they will lose the electoral college because moderates and independents simply do not like their ideas. The polling backs this up every time. M4A and the GND are very unpopular.

Democrats can’t stop fighting with each other and will throw the election to Trump once again. If you want Trump out of office vote for the Democratic candidate. Seems like a simple idea, but many can’t seem to grasp it

I agree that 2 is a possibility (though not assured) but 1 is not.  Most progressives will hold their noses and vote for Biden.  Most people on the "far left" are in states that won't be decisive anyways.  If Biden is nominated there are very few scenarios in which Trump actually wins.  He will still get massive margins in major metro areas and he would also probably win vote rich suburbs by stunningly large margins, making it very hard for Trump to win in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, Arizona and basically impossible for Trump to win in states like Nevada, Colorado, and Virginia.
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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2019, 05:27:38 PM »

1. If a moderate is nominated, people on the far left will whine and vote third party or not show up because by their logic, it’s better to have a President that you don’t agree with at all than one that you mostly agree with, but that just isn’t far left enough.

2. If a progressive such as Warren or Bernie is nominated they will lose the electoral college because moderates and independents simply do not like their ideas. The polling backs this up every time. M4A and the GND are very unpopular.

Democrats can’t stop fighting with each other and will throw the election to Trump once again. If you want Trump out of office vote for the Democratic candidate. Seems like a simple idea, but many can’t seem to grasp it

I agree that 2 is a possibility (though not assured) but 1 is not.  Most progressives will hold their noses and vote for Biden.  Most people on the "far left" are in states that won't be decisive anyways.  If Biden is nominated there are very few scenarios in which Trump actually wins.  He will still get massive margins in major metro areas and he would also probably win vote rich suburbs by stunningly large margins, making it very hard for Trump to win in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, Arizona and basically impossible for Trump to win in states like Nevada, Colorado, and Virginia.

Trump is doomed in these three states, regardless of who the Democrats nominate. The Las Vegas, Denver, and Northern Virginia/Richmond/Hampton Roads/Virginia Beach suburbs are becoming more and more Democratic, as last year's results showed. However, I do think that Biden would probably do the best out of any of the top Democratic contenders in these three states. I think he would win Nevada by mid to high single digits, and Colorado and Virginia by high single to low double digits.
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