When did the Dems become the neo-neo-cons?

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

Interesting question because after bashing Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, Obama continues many of Bush’s foreign policies, and also gets involved in Libya and Syria. Hillary Clinton has consistently been much more hawkish than Trump, and that continues to be the case.

But the two parties have flopped on foreign policy. I know Trump is dealing with GOP backlash right now about Syria, but he’s always campaigned on America first, and ending our meddling in the Middle East — exactly what the 2006 Democrat Congress campaigned on. Funny how that turned out....

[Inmate Trump]

Idk.

When did the Republicans become Russian puppets?

[Gass3268]

Interesting question because after bashing Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, Obama continues many of Bush’s foreign policies, and also gets involved in Libya and Syria. Hillary Clinton has consistently been much more hawkish than Trump, and that continues to be the case.

But the two parties have flopped on foreign policy. I know Trump is dealing with GOP backlash right now about Syria, but he’s always campaigned on America first, and ending our meddling in the Middle East — exactly what the 2006 Democrat Congress campaigned on. Funny how that turned out....

He didn't pull US troops out of Syria, he just moved them out of the way so Turkey could slaughter the Kurds.

[IceSpear]

Idk.

When did the Republicans become Russian puppets?

Circa 2016, duh.

[DINGO Joe]

Interesting question because after bashing Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, Obama continues many of Bush’s foreign policies, and also gets involved in Libya and Syria. Hillary Clinton has consistently been much more hawkish than Trump, and that continues to be the case.

But the two parties have flopped on foreign policy. I know Trump is dealing with GOP backlash right now about Syria, but he’s always campaigned on America first, and ending our meddling in the Middle East — exactly what the 2006 Democrat Congress campaigned on. Funny how that turned out....

Didn't Trump just send some troops to Saudi Arabia to basically run all the fancy equipment we sold them?

[Pericles]

Idk.

When did the Republicans become Russian puppets?

Circa 2016, duh.

Exactly.

[Goldwater]

Interesting question because after bashing Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, Obama continues many of Bush’s foreign policies, and also gets involved in Libya and Syria. Hillary Clinton has consistently been much more hawkish than Trump, and that continues to be the case.

But the two parties have flopped on foreign policy. I know Trump is dealing with GOP backlash right now about Syria, but he’s always campaigned on America first, and ending our meddling in the Middle East — exactly what the 2006 Democrat Congress campaigned on. Funny how that turned out....

[citation needed]

[rhg2052]

Interesting question because after bashing Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, Obama continues many of Bush’s foreign policies, and also gets involved in Libya and Syria. Hillary Clinton has consistently been much more hawkish than Trump, and that continues to be the case.

But the two parties have flopped on foreign policy. I know Trump is dealing with GOP backlash right now about Syria, but he’s always campaigned on America first, and ending our meddling in the Middle East — exactly what the 2006 Democrat Congress campaigned on. Funny how that turned out....

Here's the thing, and I think most Democrats would agree on this. Of course we need to stop getting involved in endless, pointless wars in the Middle East. However, our actions while we are there have consequences. To scale back our involvement is one thing, but to completely without warning get out of there, leaving an ally that is an oppressed ethnic minority who we had just convinced to stop defending their territory under the pretense that we were defending them defenseless, giving the green light for another country to immediately invade and continue a policy of ethnic cleansing against them, certainly because the President has personal business interests in the other country that he wants to protect, is a whole nother.

[darklordoftech]

OP, did Wolfowitz go back to being a Democrat?

[136or142]

Modern Republicans are so stupid they can only think in terms of extreme binaries.  Unlike the Republicans who are only either isolationists or neo-conservatives, most Democrats are somewhere in the middle between those two.  I know this is beyond the ability of modern Republicans to understand. 

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Modern Republicans are so stupid they can only think in terms of extreme binaries.  Unlike the Republicans who are only either isolationists or neo-conservatives, most Democrats are somewhere in the middle between those two.  I know this is beyond the ability of modern Republicans to understand. 

Most Senate Democrats voted multiple times to increase the bloated military budget under Trump, and Bernie was the only member of the caucus to always vote no.

[Beet]

The Democrats are just mindlessly opposing everything Trump does. It's dumb as hell, but they do have a point when it comes to presidential corruption influencing foreign policy.

[Coldstream]

It’s weird how to republicans there is nothing between Lindsey Graham/Liz Cheney and Rand Paul and you must be one or the other. It’s a great insight in to their binary way of thinking.

I don’t think many - if any - prominent democrats qualify as Neocons (maybe Cardin is the closest) but what they aren’t is isolationist, autocrat lovers like Trump. Apart from anything else, being hawkish and neoconservative aren’t synonyms.

Honestly some times when I see right wingers call everyone neoconservatives it feels a bit like when Tankies call everyone Trotskyists - ie an anti-Semitic dog whistle.

[136or142]

It’s weird how to republicans there is nothing between Lindsey Graham/Liz Cheney and Rand Paul and you must be one or the other. It’s a great insight in to their binary way of thinking.

I don’t think many - if any - prominent democrats qualify as Neocons (maybe Cardin is the closest) but what they aren’t is isolationist, autocrat lovers like Trump. Apart from anything else, being hawkish and neoconservative aren’t synonyms.

Honestly some times when I see right wingers call everyone neoconservatives it feels a bit like when Tankies call everyone Trotskyists - ie an anti-Semitic dog whistle.

Tulsi Gabbard seems to be an isolationist.  I know one of the talking points with a segment of Republicans is 'the only good Democrat running for President is Tulsi Gabbard.'

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

The neocons began life as Democrats in the first place.

[rosin]

Hillary Clinton has consistently been much more hawkish than Trump, and that continues to be the case.

Since Trump has no coherent foreign policy, anybody with such has been more hawkish (but at the same time also more dovish) than Trump.

Trump's campaign is/was about America First, and he doesn't seem to care a single ounce about anything outside the borders.

[Orser67]

As I said in another thread:

The defining aspect of neoconservatism is the combination of unilateralism, readiness to use military force, and Wilsonian idealism. What you get from that is the Iraq War, wherein neoconservatives sincerely believed that the U.S. should use military force without UN approval to replace a hostile state with a friendly liberal democracy.

There's a huge difference between the $3 trillion war of choice that Bush launched in Iraq, and the more restrained U.S. interventions in Libya and Syria. In the former group, the U.S. flat-out invaded a country in defiance of the UN. In the latter group, the U.S. launched airstrikes and assisted the operations of rebels. The former is an example of neo-conservatism, the latter is not.

[GP270watch]

Also the Libya and Syria military interventions were primarily to save civilians. In the case of Libya yes the Europeans supported it because of Libya's close proximity and their own energy needs.

 The Iraq War was a farce fought for oil and war profiteering, plain and simple. They were planning it even before the 9/11 attacks.

[Saint Milei]

dems have been neocons for quite some time

[Gass3268]

Trump’s totally getting us out of the Middle East!

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1182691945598062593?s=21

[Goldwater]

Trump’s totally getting us out of the Middle East!

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1182691945598062593?s=21

So "screw the Kurds!" but also "we need to go defend Saudi Arabia"? What the hell, nobody should be okay with this, whether they are a neocon or an isolationist or anywhere in between.

[GP270watch]

"Saudi Arabia pays cash."  - Donald Trump

That's a real quote folks.