Gay marriage map

[Frodo]

I don't think there was a referendum.

No, there wasn't -but then Jesus didn't specify whether he wanted us to give figures on those states that did, specifically, pass referendums banning gay marriage, or whether those gay marriage bans were passed by state legislatures. 

Either way, the gay marriage ban in Virginia probably passed solidly. 

I do mean referendums.

Great -then say so at the beginning of this thread. 

[Cubby]

Tennessee will have the ban on the ballot this year.

Banning gay marriage is fine.  The problem are the resolutions that ban civil unions or any other form of recognized partnerships as well.

No its not fine, people's lives are destroyed. Its so easy for others to just casually say "gay marriage should be banned", they don't have to worry about it, they can marry anyone they like.

And civil unions are a joke. Connecticut legalized them this year and less than 300 have been done, in a state with 3.5 million people. They are "separate but equal" (equal to the rights of marriage but separate in name) and not worth the effort. Those thousands of marriages in California and Oregon last year took place b/c people thought they were getting a meaningful contract, not a poll-tested compromise.

Christmas Cookies- A poll last spring (sorry I don't have source) of Connecticut residents/voters said that they were split 50/50 on legalizing same-sex marriage, but a big majority (somewhere around 65-75%) were for civil unions. Thats why the State Assembly took the latter route. The sad thing is 50% in favor of full marriage rights would be one of the highest rates in the country.

[GOP = Terrorists]

And civil unions are a joke.

Would you accept the state declaring state involvement in marriage a violation of the establishment clause?  So civil unions all around?

[Cubby]

And civil unions are a joke.

Would you accept the state declaring state involvement in marriage a violation of the establishment clause?  So civil unions all around?

No

I don't want to change the entire concept of marriage, I just want to include same-sex couples. Polygamy and other forms would still be off limits. This debate is about including gays into the mainstream of society, and changing gov't involvement just avoids that question.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Tennessee will have the ban on the ballot this year.

Banning gay marriage is fine.  The problem are the resolutions that ban civil unions or any other form of recognized partnerships as well.

No its not fine, people's lives are destroyed.

WTF?  How can people's lives be "destroyed" by not having gay marriage.  We dont' currently have gay marriage in the state of Tennessee, so I really don't understand how banning a change the status quo changes anything.

Connecticut legalized them this year and less than 300 have been done, in a state with 3.5 million people. They are "separate but equal" (equal to the rights of marriage but separate in name) and not worth the effort.

So let me see if I understand your point:

You don't want the legal protections and civil rights that come with marriage -- you just want to steal the religious tradition called "marriage".   Interesting.  That really screws up those of us who argue that gays deserve the rights of hospital visitation, insurance sharing, etc.  You don't want equality, you just want to take something that isn't yours.

Those thousands of marriages in California and Oregon last year took place b/c people thought they were getting a meaningful contract, not a poll-tested compromise.

Civil unions are not a poll-tested compromise, they extend the civil rights that come with marriage to gay and lesbian couples.

[Dan]

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No, they just haven't voted on it yet, states in the northeast lack initiative rights.

[A18]

I don't want to change the entire concept of marriage, I just want to include same-sex couples. Polygamy and other forms would still be off limits. This debate is about including gays into the mainstream of society, and changing gov't involvement just avoids that question.

Why should gays be included, but not incestuous couples?

More importantly, why should government decide what should or should not be "mainstream?" You are apparently a fascist.

[MODU]

I don't want to change the entire concept of marriage, I just want to include same-sex couples. Polygamy and other forms would still be off limits. This debate is about including gays into the mainstream of society, and changing gov't involvement just avoids that question.

Why should gays be included, but not incestuous couples?

More importantly, why should government decide what should or should not be "mainstream?" You are apparently a fascist.

Last time I checked, gays were in the mainstream of society.  Of course, so are poker players, drug dealers, and school kids. 

[Emsworth]

Would you accept the state declaring state involvement in marriage a violation of the establishment clause?

No.

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Better than having civil unions for everyone, the government should simply separate itself completely from the institution of marriage. The government give official recognition to "marriages," "civil unions," or anything else. Instead, the institution should be completely private.

I don't want to change the entire concept of marriage, I just want to include same-sex couples. Polygamy and other forms would still be off limits.

That seems like an extremely arbitrary distinction. Why should polygamy be "off limits," but not same-sex marriage?

[TexasPatriot2024]

Travis County voted 59.94%-40.05% (81,170 to 54,246) against the Texas gay marriage amendment (only county to do so).  

The amendment passed 76.25%-23.75% statewide (1,723,782 to 536,913)

Amusingly, if you remove Travis County from the results, the percentage would increase to 78.56%-21.44% statewide.

Similarly - and also amusing - if you remove Travis county from Texas the state's average IQ drops from 87 to 59!

Opebo have you ever been to Texas?  I can smell the ignorance from here, you reek of it.

[Flying Dog]

I believe in michigan it was 59-41

[Schmitz in 1972]

I was stunned when the ban passed in Oregon. I was sure they would reject it and then follow the lead of MA. So gay marriage has never been rejected in a popular vote. Dare we conclude that this might mean something?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Travis County voted 59.94%-40.05% (81,170 to 54,246) against the Texas gay marriage amendment (only county to do so).  

The amendment passed 76.25%-23.75% statewide (1,723,782 to 536,913)

Amusingly, if you remove Travis County from the results, the percentage would increase to 78.56%-21.44% statewide.

Similarly - and also amusing - if you remove Travis county from Texas the state's average IQ drops from 87 to 59!

Travis county also has the highest STD rates in Texas.

[Joe Republic]

Athens County was the only one to vote against the amendment here last year.  Not too surprising.  And people still talk about Cuyahoga being the most socially liberal....




Green = Yes
Red = No

[MasterJedi]

Now we just need to spread that around the country. I suspect gay marraige would be banned in most states, New England would be the places I'd look for it to pass though.

[Frodo]

Now we just need to spread that around the country. I suspect gay marraige would be banned in most states, New England would be the places I'd look for it to pass though.

And Hawai'i. 

[MasterJedi]

Now we just need to spread that around the country. I suspect gay marraige would be banned in most states, New England would be the places I'd look for it to pass though.

And Hawai'i. 

That's also a possibility but I believe it will be passed there as well though by a much reduced margin.

[MODU]

Now we just need to spread that around the country. I suspect gay marraige would be banned in most states, New England would be the places I'd look for it to pass though.

And Hawai'i. 

That's also a possibility but I believe it will be passed there as well though by a much reduced margin.

I remember when Hawaii passed their legislation to allow gay marriage, and then turned right around and cancelled it.  hehehe . . . gotta love states that can't make up their mind. 

[opebo]

Travis County voted 59.94%-40.05% (81,170 to 54,246) against the Texas gay marriage amendment (only county to do so).  

The amendment passed 76.25%-23.75% statewide (1,723,782 to 536,913)

Amusingly, if you remove Travis County from the results, the percentage would increase to 78.56%-21.44% statewide.

Similarly - and also amusing - if you remove Travis county from Texas the state's average IQ drops from 87 to 59!

Travis county also has the highest STD rates in Texas.

Sounds like a fun place, jmfcst.  Young people having sex - I like it!

[Gustaf]

They do have the same rights. Each member of each has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

How about incestuous couples?

I think this is one of the worse arguments ever thought up for anything.

[A18]

Then I'm sorry your reasoning skills are so poor.

[A18]

They should. I was simply pointing out his hypocrisy.

[Alcon]

They should. I was simply pointing out his hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy?  You were complaining about his argument.

[A18]

What hypocrisy?

He refuses to endorse incestuous marriage, while whining about "equal rights" for homosexual couples.

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What are you talking about?

[Alcon]

What hypocrisy?

He refuses to endorse incestuous marriage, while whining about "equal rights" for homosexual couples.

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What are you talking about?

Oh, somehow I managed to read only the first sentence of your post and missed the question about incestuous couples.  I'm a moron.  Sorry.